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(COMPLETE) Devil In The Waters, Chapter 4, Mondays

🕑 Added 2019-11-25 15:19:51 +0000 UTC

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RCH

Jordan should have been "we're" more aimed at the group. Sorry if you felt singled out there! I love all the ideas and insights that pop up here! Wouldn't it be funny if KT took us down the path "WE" think this is going only to find out it's something completely different.

DavidnDaria

Well, there's something there and Josh is terrified of it. He's been told what happened by Devin. His wife doesn't want to talk about a political argument. If it were a simple political argument, would Devin text her? Would she masturbate in the bathroom? Would Kimmy's friends run interference for her when she was talking to Devin? There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that something other than a political "fight" took place. Then again, what if nothing happened and Devin was just tweaking Josh? You're right, we don't know if anything happened, but it's driving Josh nuts and his wife is not talking. Such actions only fuel suspicion. You're right JW, at this point, it's not a hotwifing story, it's a bullying, perhaps cheating wife story. It's great! I'm pretty certain it will morph.

Chinookfan72

RCH is your comment directed at me or DND? Cause I’m not assuming anything. This is why I said Kimmy is potentially pissing on the relationship. I’m calling it a cheating wife story because of the pitch KT presented (secret affair). At some point Kimmy is going to fuck Devin, and as far as Kimmy is concerned Josh won’t know it’s happening. Wether they have fucked yet in the story is up for debate, but to me that is irrelevant to the point I was making above.

RCH

You're assuming that anything beyond mutual masturbation has gone on! We have no indication that Kimmy had intercourse with Devlin! We're just assuming that happened.

Chinookfan72

Again I’m cool with him spying at some point. I just think it needs to wait until he is morally justified to do so. His wife is already potentially pissing on the relationship, no reason for him to do so also. To me this isn’t a hotwife story. It’s a cheating wife story. The intrigue is the wife’s internal struggle with how she rationalizes her actions. Thus I need to care about her marriage, and for me to do that Josh has to be respectful. In most hotwife stories this isn’t the case so the husband is free to operate in the moral gray area so by all means he could start spying now. Also to me this story ends once Josh finds out, so to allow it to go long I think it’s best Josh goes o a winding investigative journey. Therefore, he can skip all the way to spying.

TF

Good point!

DavidnDaria

Looking at text messages, checking phone calls, unintended/intended eavesdropping, etc., are staples of the hotwife genre. It is just a story, not real life.

Chinookfan72

To me spying, stalking, snooping, tracking etc. are all the same. My point remains the same.

Chinookfan72

If you noticed at the end of chapter 3 KT wrote “Devin Stone: We need to talk” At the end of this chapter it just says Josh got a text from Devin Stone. It’s a subtle difference but one that allows KT an out if necessary.

TF

The difference between the two in intent rather than the action....just saying.

TF

Sure, that's possible. I just assumed when he looked at his phone it read DS. I don't even look at texts from unknown numbers but maybe he does.

DavidnDaria

I don't know what you were reading bro, but I never wrote stalking. I wrote spying.

RCH

It will be interesting to see what transpired to bring about the events that night at the cabin? Kimmy wasn't drunk as far as we know. Devlin was not someone she liked or had interest before. So it will be very interesting to see how it all transpired. Even if Josh gave Devlin the green light in his drunken state Why would Kimmy go along with it? What motivated her to do anything with Devlin? We'll just have to wait to see what kind of cuckold terror KT dreams up. David and Daria love your thoughts above; "Will he wait it out and start to notice the subtle and not-so-subtle changes in Kimmy?" That is always my favorite part of hotwife/cuckold stories is the changes both physical and attitude that happen. Still there is so much to speculate about at this point.

Bwood

This is really outstanding so far. I hope that, especially as Josh and Devin prepare to meet in the light of day, KT elaborates further on what that bullying back in school looked like. High school can be such a weird, traumatizing, formative time, with its caste systems and its casual cruelty. And obviously whatever Devin did left a real mark on Josh. Bonus points if Kimmy was aware of or a witness to the bullying, because it makes what she's doing now that much more of a betrayal and transgression. She says her love for Josh is unblemished and what she's done (doing?) with Devin has nothing to do with emotions, but she's still cheating with someone she knows left him with emotional scars. Besides, it's even more compelling if Josh can't easily accept or forgive what she has done, even if he ends up realizing he DOES have this fantasy/fetish and finds it hot.

Chinookfan72

But without solid evidence why would anyone rationally jump to full stalker status.. seems to be a bridge way to far for me. You are basically saying Josh, who has never had trust issues with his wife, is going to trust someone he hates over his wife. I’m not against stalking at some point, but for now he needs someone else to validate what Devin told him first. Otherwise Josh comes off as weak and pathetic.

Chinookfan72

I don’t even think you need to go that far. We don’t know Josh has his number, just that he got a text from Devin. It could be from an unkown number for all we know.

TF

Thanks RCH. You are probably right and the phone business is just sharing lists from the reunion or the like. With all the still unknowns one tends to grab at clues and blow them out of proportion. Your analysis is persuasive but time will tell...or rather KT.

DavidnDaria

Oh, and not to mention their sex...

DavidnDaria

I think we have baby races going on until that fateful day when Kimmy is discovered. See, this is why I suggested something really unpopular like spying on Kimmy. It will build tension every minute Josh is spying, hoping for that one solid bit evidence he's terrified to find. When he finds it what will he do? Will he wait it out and start to notice the subtle and not-so-subtle changes in Kimmy? They're already starting with Kimmy over compensating, yet refusing to talk about the "fight".

RCH

TF I think that you may need to chalk this up to literary license. Possible it is on both their phone due to a sharing of phone lists from the reunion. The handicap we are all under is we truly are clueless as to what really is happening between Kimmy and Devlin. As I stated before in an earlier post I could argue against penetrative sex. With the only circumstantial evidence and the word of a douche like Devlin we can only speculate on what is going on. Things we know: Some event or activity happened that night at the cabin between Kimmy and Devlin. It's nature was such that she is concerned about her fertility status afterwards. That only means that she got some unwanted sperm close enough to worry her. That does not require intercourse. I argue that there is evidence that intercourse did not take place between Kimmy and Devlin at the cabin. She still would have been sore when she had sex with Josh the first evening they returned home. We are just assuming Kimmy met with Devin during the day Monday. If she did it could have been at a neutral location Starbucks?

TF

So can someone help me out here? I still don’t understand how Stone’s phone number is on Kimmy’s and now Josh’s phone. In the first case, I expect she put it on or allowed him to do so which made me reevaluate my understanding of her (sorry, I’m slow I didn’t think she was in to DS in the beginning) but why would Josh have it? I suppose one could blame it on the bourbon but, really, the guy bullied him in high school and is continuing to do so—it would have taken an awful lot of bourbon in my estimation. Whatever, it’s a good series and I await the next bit…hopefully we will learn what these mysterious texts did.

Chinookfan72

Yep I think we are all in agreement here!

Glaucon

Yeah, that's what I'm saying - the process is slow but the pacing of the FINISHED product is great (even a little fast lol).

RCH

Taken as a whole it's not moving that slow. As Jordan stated it's because it's chapters one... at... a... time... That's not a complaint! Just a perspective changer. Go back and read it as a whole then the pacing is different.

Chinookfan72

I agree with you on why he went in the tent. He likes to bully Josh... But that is the Josh/Devin dynamic not the Devin/ Kimmy dynamic. What I was disagreeing with is Devin controlling Kimmy’s escalation of lust. If Devin is in control of that, then I’d assume he wouldn’t accept anything less than oral, and after the first or second time he’s going to want to. I don’t see Devin in the same light as say Finn in Scream Queens...Finn has managed Libby’s escalation pretty well, but Devin doesn’t seem to be the type to me to keep playing the game unless he’s getting the goods. If Kimmy resisted the first night I don’t think Devin tries the second time. Devin goes into tent because he had already fucked Josh’s wife and now he can mind fuck Josh at the same time. This is why I think Devin was telling the truth in the tent and what Josh was smelling was his wife’s pussy, and therefore they’ve already fucked. But if Kimmy turned him down or stopped at a hand job Devin isn’t going in the tent.

Glaucon

If it was just about sex for Devin, he wouldn't bother talking to Josh in the tent, or texting him now.

Glaucon

Admittedly we're extrapolating a lot from a limited amount of time with Devin, but I want to dig in to why he would come into Josh's tent in the first chapter. You say it's because he's an asshole, which he is, but that's not a motivation. That's an excuse to do whatever he wants. So why does he want to go in there? He wants to hurt Josh. he wants to rub Josh's nose in his metaphorical power (which he literally does by making Josh smell his dick). He wants to make Josh feel small. He's not doing this because he's attracted to Josh sexually. He gets off on the power dynamics.

Chinookfan72

It’s amazes me how each of us can come to different interpretations of what we read. I don’t get any of this from what I think I know about Devin. I personally think it is about sex to him. He’s probably always wanted to fuck Kimmy since grade school and he finally got his chance. Being a grade a asshole that doesn’t care about Josh now he just wants to rub his nose in it, and he enjoyed the first round so why stop.. I can see him accepting a blow job for a while, but I can’t see him ever settling for just a handy if him and Kimmy are by themselves.

Glaucon

Oh I def don't think the pacing of the story is actually slow at all.

Chinookfan72

True, but I’m not even sure this story is slow, just seems that way because we are only getting small pieces at a time. I agree the end product is more important.

Glaucon

It's definitely 100% from the way we're getting it - I hope KT maintains the slower pacing. Sure it's slow, but it's only slow once. If it's rushed, it'll be rushed forever. I care more about the finished product.

Glaucon

cheating partners often overcompensate (with gifts, etc.). These actions make psychological sense to me.

Glaucon

Based purely on what we know about Devin/Devon/Devlin, this doesn’t seem to be about sex for him as much as it seems to be about power and dominance, imposing his will and status on others. This is a game to him. If he just wanted sex there would be easier ways to get it. He’s intentionally involving Josh because the whole point is he’s taking what he wants and there’s nothing Josh can do about it. A cataclysm to Josh’s life is essentially a game to Devin. It’s the ultimate ego trip for him to ruin this happy marriage with his big dick for his own amusement. So yeah, I do see Devin as the kind of guy to draw this thing with Kimmy out long. If there’s anything he’d understand it would be the symbolic language of power. If Devin has Kimmy’s willpower giving out first, if he has Kimmy needy and sucking a cock four times the size of her husband’s (by volume), there’s pretty clear power dynamics there for him and I think psychologically that’s what he’s really getting out of all this.

RCH

Amen to that Josh is trying to ignore what happen at the cabin.

DavidnDaria

Kimmy is really, really defensive regarding that night at the reunion. She's trying to deny what happened yet is turned on beyond belief at what happened. We're wondering if she actually talked to Devlin, Devon/Devin or even Levon... Imagine DeeVON... and they called him DeeVON, and he would be an asshat... Every story in the cuckold/hotwife genre needs an asshat and Devon fits the bill. Josh is afraid of the truth, he wants to know but his not at the very least telling Kim about the confrontation in the tent shows that he's terrified of the truth.

Chinookfan72

So far so good! Also more loose strings for us to debate between chapter releases. The last two chapters have both ended with text messages from Devin.. part of me likes the suspense about what Kimmy was up to while Josh was at work and part of me just wants to get on with it. We are still waiting on the first potential encounter and now a second one.. I suppose we are only 4 chapters in, but due to the way this is released it feels longer. I’m sure the folks reading the completed version in one go would probably like more intrigue than what we’ve been given, but my impatient brain is wanting the good stuff. I do hope we will eventually get encounters between Devin and Kimmy in real time as opposed to flash backs or retelling from Devin to Josh. I just prefer to be a fly on the wall.

TF

dictates (gotta watch the keys ). I like that Josh loves high end bourbon as I do to....albeit I don't do cups full....needs to be sipped!

TF

I'm getting confused. Kimmy's internal dialogue does not match her apparent actions. She has DS's number on her phone, seemingly she has spent the day with him and is now playing loving spouse with Josh. Yeah, hate is an emotion as strong as love but, give me a break, they are not the same. Oh, well, it will evolve as KT's muse dictaa

Chinookfan72

I’m good with a gradual progression, but do you think Devin is the type of guy to take it slow? If it’s going to be slow I think Kimmy will have to control that part of it.

RCH

Now it reads better and clearer. KT your comment above regarding names change it! Devlin is closer to "Devil In". I got the feeling that the Patron was intended to give you feedback and the ability to rework stories accordingly. We didn't sign on with the thought that we would get polished finished chapters. You shouldn't hesitate to rewrite a previous chapter to improve the overall story. View us as your twisted perverse muses.

Glaucon

Well you can still change whatever details you want!

KT Morrison

Yes, and my computer thinks its better too, that's why you see those pop up. Devon, in my head, sounds like duh-VON and not DEV-in, you know what I'm saying? But now I'm wishing his name was Devlin, that's even better.

KT Morrison

You're right—new paragraph I gotta reset my pronouns, especially since I mention Kimmy in the same sentence! Fixed.

RCH

I agree with Glaucon let it be a slow slide with many complications. How stupid am I I just realized you can edit your posts!

RCH

Yea, what did happen? Curious situation we've only seen a glimpse into Kimmy's side. We are almost as clueless as Josh. Our only bit of extra information is her worry about ovulation. KT it's common to see a he reference when it was clearly meant as a she. The last paragraph is it he got a text or she got a text?

Glaucon

I do hope that the encounters between Kimmy and Devin follow a gradual progression – maybe starting with stroking (rationalized as “less cheating”)/oral worship/size fixation, progressing to full on penetrative sex – Devin controlling the escalation and Kimmy’s lust, controlling her through it. To me it’s the dynamic of these characters that makes this series so interesting – it would be great to see a slow burn of Kimmy’s submission to Devin.

Glaucon

Another Devon – honestly though I prefer that construction of the name, feels stronger haha. Also I think “Yeah, I know that’s not like Amy” should be Kimmy, right? And the first red Dead Redemption has a lower case ‘red.’

Glaucon

GUILT DINNER UNFINISHED BASKET Kimmy was busy with something else today… Great suspense, KT!


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