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Devil In The Waters, Book 3, Chapter 19 (complete)

🕑 Added 2020-04-04 00:04:00 +0000 UTC

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Donkatsu

Correct, CSH, that's how bullying ends IRL. Nothing else works. Later on, if you try to make up for childhood bullying in business, you end up like Cliff on "Dallas". Not a good look.

CSH

Though to RCH point about real life, I remember seeing our grade school bully pick on one boy for years till the poor boy was a psychological mess. Doubt that boy ever recovered or if he did he was twisted in some bad ways. Another he beat up once then suddenly had a nighttime encounter with a baseball bat. The second guy never got picked on again.

CSH

I agree that it’s a pathway for Kimmy to follow. We will see if she does. I’d really like to see this take a darker D/S turn between Kimmy and Josh but don’t see how we get there yet. On the issue of the abuse I’d say we all appreciate the realism of the characters and their motivations, but it’s basically a fantasy story. In real life of course it ends up in pedestrian pathways - counseling sessions and police for the bullying and divorce court for the marriage. I don’t think any of us are reading this story for that level of realism. Though we may end up with a little poetic justice by the end. The pleasure here is imagining it all going down a different path than normal but in finding that path to be conceivable if not likely.

Chinookfan72

RCH you are assuming Josh would have told his parents. Also there is nothing the authorities could do. They were kids so it’s a juvenile case and there are witnesses on both sides.

JL23

I don’t think she’s a sociopath, it’s not like she doesn’t feel a great amount of guilt for betraying Josh. Honestly, Kimmie shares a lot of the traits of most of our KT heroines...good girls, slightly sheltered and shy, a bit nerdy you might say, but discovering the power of their sexuality. And also maybe not being equipped to deal with the consequences of that discovery. Kimmie, Libby, Maggie, Jess all kind of fit in that box...a notable exception to it is Nia. But this feels a bit like the Maggie arc to me, if Maggie found herself in her late 20’s...and that may be real bad news for Josh. Or it could be good, cause Kimmie is more of an adult and more in love with Josh, and less likely to completely destroy him.

RCH

Kinda serial rapist/killer thinking "the bitches were asking for it" blame the victim. Josh is just asking to have the shit kicked out of him. There is a bit of truth in that. If that would have been me I would have figured out how to end the bullying. Never ever piss off an engineer! I have a very long fuse but after the beating I would have planed a very violent, fire end to the Devlin and his buddies. It may be Canada but there are a lot of option available at the hardware and supermarkets. Realistically Josh's beating would have not gone unnoticed by the authorities. Josh's parents should and would have filed charges body kicks when someone is on the ground is more than a fist fight it's intent to cause grievous harm. Josh had witnesses.

Wess

By the way KT, I loved Devlin's treatise on power in the previous chapter. The idea that Josh's weakness invited Kimmy's power was a nice avenue for Kimmy to escape blame or at least some guilt. It was actually Josh's fault!

DavidnDaria

Dayum! We done good!

RCH

KT, DnD brought out a good point did you ever establish if Josh was Kimmy first? For that matter was Kimmy Josh's first? What was their virgin status when they met?

RCH

Wess, has hit it. Kimmy wants to have her cake and eat it too. It's not a question whether she of love Josh it's that she wants to have the sexual high with Devlin too. Kimmy is just selfish and willing to risk one for the other. There are other sexual bio drives going on but that doesn't excuse her choices. If we could use that as a fall back then all male could tell their wives "Honey I cheated on you because I male and it's in my nature". Animal vs human nature we're suppose to be more in control of our behavior.

Chinookfan72

I can wait too.. the hardest part though will not be interacting in the comments section.

Glaucon

I agree - love is a feeling that you have. You can have positive feelings for someone and also be extremely shitty to them. You shouldn't, but you can.

TF

Good point

Donkatsu

You have created a wicked universe of actors and acted upon, KT. I look into my crystal ball and see a cage ...

DavidnDaria

I can wait... :) Yeah, I'm the oddball. I mean, the whole premise of this genre is simple: Wife has sex with other men. The build-up is what I get into... how friggin' odd would it be if they NEVER actually get into the thrusting part of sex? I mean, would it be a first? Is there a genre that is all about slow burn? I dunno. It's Sunday, SUNday, SUNDAY! And no Formula 1. My home state has over 14,000 infections. This shit sucks more and more every day. All the people. Aw fuck... have Kimmy go down the rabbit hole completely! I mean, wasn't Josh her first? Dunno. IF that's the case, have her go on a tear. Make up for that lost time!

CSH

Exactly.

CSH

I agree that she loves the game, and the sex with Devlin, but I don’t think that means she doesn’t love Josh. As you say she’s just placing more importance on the sex with Devlin than keeping her marriage but that’s what all cheaters do isn’t it? I think it’s a stretch to say she doesn’t love Josh. For me, if she doesn’t then it’s not that interesting a story just a wife cheating on her husband - happens all the time. Where erotic fiction diverges from real life is her finding a path to getting Devlin and still keeping Josh (under control), at least for a while.

TF

Sure, why not? Half the fun of it. You may have noted that my opinion of Kimmy has varied wildly as the books are revealed. I try to fit what I know (and can remember!) to a model sometimes pushing it. This chapter, to me, is very revealing. Kimmy realizes (yet again)she has the power to say no, that Devlin is not forcing her and that it is she, not Devlin, that is (will) be hurting Josh. She chooses Devlin (I think, she still could bail) and not Josh. To me that means she loves the power over Devlin, the attention of him to her, her sexual excitement and places a higher value on that than her sense of love and life with Josh.

JamesIsAsleep

Lol, thanks KT!

KT Morrison

Ha ha—By Friday Grace would have Kimmy in bed with Devlin, Josh on a chair and watching while he masturbated, everyone telling each other their darkest fantasies then begging her to let them act them out.

KT Morrison

We're going to be in this sex scene to mid-April—no one can wait that long!

Chinookfan72

james I did ask KT, in the comments last chapter, if she would post everything in one chunk and she was receptive to it. I imagine KT doesn’t want to go too long without posting because it risks losing interest. So I’m not sure it’s practical to do what I requested , as it seems like KT is releasing parts of the almost as quickly as she finishes and she did say the sexual encounter will take up many chapters.. ultimately I’d rather have KT do what’s best for her in this situation. If I have to hold back on reading until all the chapters are released so be it. I’m hooked on the story so I’m not going anywhere.

JamesIsAsleep

Chinook - with you brother. (KT, please do remember what people read erotica for sometimes, would you? Lol! And while I'm mostly kidding, im an adult and can handle waiting, I can also handle not seeing what I read in this part until what happens in the room played out. I'm going to assume there is some strategy employed though, too, gauging either our temperature or reaction, or both. You know what you're doing.) DnD - Just to say more of my opinion on Kimmy, I'm with Dar, right now Kimmy is stepping out into a new world where she is something of higher prestige than she was used to, shes learning a new drug which is self-respect. Notice how much she loved knowing people in the hotel would be seeing Devlin and her as pseudo celebrities. This has nothing to do with her care and love for Josh, it's just an intoxicating lure for her (and anyone!) not to just get a taste. Just once(!), Kimmy says ;). It is a tad selfish as RCH points out, but being propositioned by a wealthy, good looking person with interesting taste and ability to push your buttons, is a calculation that very few people, even the most noble, saintly people get to make. I always try my hardest to put myself in other people's shoes, and though I have a feeling I'd already confessed by now, I have to think things like tonight would be really hard not to be enticed into thinking about. Especially if there is still that part of you that knows that money is on the way to help your family. That is such a helpful fact to conveniently rationalize the situation for anyone, lol!

Wess

Or maybe she just wants to have her cake and eat too.

Chinookfan72

Grace comes from a world of consensual relationships so I’d argue Grace would be the student when it comes to manipulation (though I don’t think Grace would ever want to learn that skill). Grace would either be used as a tool for good i.e. through her observations of Josh and Kimmy she could deduce the communication issues they are suffering from and as their dom she get them to open up once and for all.. Or evil.. She teaches Kimmy dom skills and equipment and Kimmy applies those lessons to Josh. However unlike a consensual BDSM relationship Josh has no safeword.

Chinookfan72

you certainly have an interesting opinion I will give you that, and for all I know you could be right.

TF

Yeah, why does she stay with him? Well, her marriage gives her a base from which to dual a little more equally with Devlin. She is always saying,” I love Josh, I don’t want to hurt him” to keep him at arm’s length and Devlin hears her. I expect if she had just dumped Josh and said, let’s go fuck, Devlin wouldn’t have been quite so interested. And I think she knows that. IMO she’s discovered the power game and no one playing that game, unless forced to, is going to discard a real or potential asset even if it’s not particularly valued. But this is just my latest opinion LOL.

Chinookfan72

You’re welcome DND! I was hoping for another chapter tonight (well that’s a lie I was hoping for the rest of the book), but looks like we’ll have to wait another day.

Chinookfan72

If Kimmy doesn’t love Josh why does she stay with him? She isn’t reliant on Josh for anything. All the lies and manipulations are to allow her to do this one thing without Josh knowing and then she can get back with her life.. She’s ultimately going to fail and in the end I’d imagine she’s going to realize she doesn’t love Josh any more, but for now those feelings are still there. You are right in her love of competition though. Devlin obviously brings something out in her that she likes and until he came around she didn’t really understand it/ realize it. Now that it’s here and she’s getting a taste I personally think it’s pretty much all down hill for Kimmy in terms of her live of Josh from here.

TF

Kimmy loves Josh? I thought so early on but it sure doesn’t look like it now. She manipulates him, lies to him, disbelieves him, and basically uses him for her own ends. Saying she loves Josh is just part of the game with Devlin. What I now think she loves is the competition with Devlin, the feeling of power his lust for her engenders…only a momentary glimpse in this chapter but she loves the feeling of the possibility of conquering this formidable male down the road. She is a competitor and Josh is no challenge…Devlin is. This is turning into and fascinating story.

DavidnDaria

Thanks, Chinny! I'm just making conversation. :) It's almost 8PM... what happens tonight?

DavidnDaria

It was fun, James! Started with 60's on 6 (A didn't know many of the songs--that needs to change! Then again, she's younger than us and hasn't been fully, well...assimilated, yet!), then to Deep Tracks, and finally Liquid Metal with some DT, thrown in. Didn't stop except for traffic lights.

Chinookfan72

DND stay safe! borderline means close to though and I just don’t get the sense a Kimmy is anywhere near a sociopath. Like if sociopath is the state of New York I’d say Kimmy is Colorado. She isn’t the complete opposite of a sociopath (say California) but she is closer to those people than a sociopath, in my opinion. In every cheating story there seems to be a rush to hyperbole when discussing the cheater. I certainly understand why lots of people would dislike Kimmy for how she is handling her relationship, but in all other aspects of life Kimmy to be an above average human.

JamesIsAsleep

DnD - I'm just here to support driving around in a loaded car and singing along to the radio with people you care about, that is all ...

DavidnDaria

Ebola has a cure and vaccine. :) Red, I hear you, bro. I'm high risk because of my sinuses. That means I consider Daria and A high risk, as well. Everything gets wiped down. :) In the end, it's worth it!

DavidnDaria

Borderline, bro. Borderline. :)

Chinookfan72

Yeah I just think sociopath is the wrong term. She is selfish and immoral in this one segment of her life, sure, but sociopaths lack the ability to truly function in society because it’s tied to antisocial behaviors.. Kimmy is able to establish relationships,can hold a job and general adhere’s to the law. When confronted she never reacts in anger.. She is just a normal every day cheater.. Nothing special about her.

Wess

I love that Kimmy gets a thrill out of deceiving Josh - right under his nose. The fact that she loves Josh makes it even better. Kinda dark but I hope it continues to escalate. More risks and more attraction to Devlin by our sweet and complicated Kimmy is what has me turning the pages.

RCH

DnD, don't sweat the boxes, 5 min of sun should kill anything, this not Hepatitis or Ebola. Relax and have that drive then order the sim stuff. :) Wife is having a Buddhist meeting on Zoom today. Love technology!

DavidnDaria

"borderline" :) I don't know. Y'see the fun part about this for both my wife and I is that we don't agree on this at all. My argument is based around something that I think we've not read, yet: She could lose her marriage. No mention of that at all. Of course, she says she loves Josh, but then she's there with his bully and has chosen to believe him over Josh. Yeah, thankfully this is fiction, but it has probably happened many, many times IRL. (Why, when I see IRL do immediately think of "Indy Racing League"?) Oh, well... gonna watch Sim racing today. I'd get a sim, but I don't want to disinfect a shitload of boxes. It's bad enough with groceries. I think before racing, Daria, A, and I need to get out of the house...maybe go for drive and sing along to the radio. "...borderline..."

RCH

Another fine chapter. Well done! Poor Josh you F-ed up you were too weak. Kimmy played you big time and you let her.

RCH

Yes, I did a few chapters ago. If she isn't then she does a good job of acting the part. The thing that prevents her from being a classic sociopath is she does feel some guilt in her actions. Kimmy is worse than a sociopath is she makes a choice to do bad and rationalizes it away. A sociopath is broke and lacks the guilt mechanism to stop their actions. Kimmy feels it and goes ahead and does it anyway. She is just selfish and self centered. We'll find that Josh is there for her and not the other way around. She has sociopath behavior towards Josh because she wants to keep him.

JamesIsAsleep

The age old question of the characters of KT, are they sociopaths. It's an annual tradition, lol! Honestly, this time around I feel like accusers have more ammunition than ever to make that claim, however I think she feels too much guilt and care for Josh. The problem isnt a lack of caring for Josh right now, it's being so obsessed with what she has developing of a desire for Devlin.

DavidnDaria

Does anyone think Kimmy might be a borderline sociopath?

Donkatsu

Not sure that Grace has much to teach Kimmy in the manipulation department. Perhaps, just a few practical skills and on-the-job training in using new equipment😎 Josh is in for a wild ride, a lot of it self-induced. Great chapter, KT.

Chinookfan72

I think Kimmy’s actions are probably inline with most people that cheat. She still loves her husband so the guilt is going to be there. However she’s still attracted to this new person so when her mind is on that I’m sure the guilt dissipates..

CSH

Actually think I’ve met her. Her hesitation comes off as real but it’s also an excuse. She’s deciding to be bad and the guilt she feels allows her to think she’s not a bad person for it because she truly feels guilty. Bad people don’t feel guilty, right? Not long till Devlin eroticizes her hesitation and guilt so it just increases her thrill at giving in. Looks like Josh will be indecisive enough to arrive after all the damage is done. I wonder where we are headed with our couple. KT has written Josh as smart so unless he goes suddenly stupid Kimmy’s not going to be able to fool him in the normal sense. Sexual domination of some sort, perhaps? Does it become an Open secret no one talks about? I hope she continues to deny everything , in the face of all the evidence, and sexually bullies him into doubting himself and accepting her lies as true even when he knows they’re lies. It opens the door to a lot of possibilities.

DavidnDaria

Beyond brilliant, KT. This is what you are meant to do. The indecision, the desire. Josh, driving himself crazy. My wife coined the phrase, "psycho erotic" and I think it's completely appropriate. Does anyone think Kimmy might be a borderline sociopath? She has these moments where she feels no guilt, and then suddenly, she's guilt ridden, but still allows... well... things.

BNR

Love it!

BNR

LoL! Porn writing mixed with Police Academy!

JamesIsAsleep

I like it, KT... lol

Chinookfan72

one thing to ponder for future communication between Josh and Devlin.. Did Josh block his number? in book 2 chapter 5 it states he pulled out his phone so he COULD block the number.. It doesn’t say he actually blocks it.. Subsequently, earlier in this book it says the contact and text messages are deleted, not that Devlin’s number is blocked. Now Josh is wondering why Devlin has messaged recently.. Since book 2 I’d just assumed the number is blocked.. However, now after giving it some thought, I don’t think Josh actually went through with blocking the number.. This would obviously make future contact easier, but I’d still like a face to face meeting between Devlin and Josh.. And hopefully many.. I’m still partial to a future scene where Devlin sets up a meeting with Josh at office in TO. ( Assuming there is a space for Devlin to use there while he’s in the office). somehow he is able to clear the office, but makes Kimmy stay behind as there is some business need for her to stay.. Ultimately once the office is clear, things start to get hot and heavy, between Kimmy and Devlin. Kimmy is in a state of partial undress and all the sudden the main office door opens. Devlin tells Kimmy to hide under the desk and he’ll go out and get rid of them.. However, once Kimmy is under the desk she hears Devlin’s voice get nearer and she realizes he’s talking to someone.. Devlin comes back into the office and sits in the chair ( the guest has yet to speak) and Devlin lets down his zipper and pulls his dick out.. Kimmy is already hot and bother and the thrill of being caught amps her up so she starts sucking.. She’s busy focusing on her work so she can’t really make out the guys voice. That is until Devlin cums in her throat and she swallows, and finishes cleaning Devlin’s cock.. as she backs away happy with the job she did, Kimmy over years the conversation finishing with the guest asking where his wife is anyway.. And Devlin saying something came up and Kimmy was taking care of it....

Chinookfan72

Kimmy’s internal struggle is vaccinating to read.


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