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Devil In The Waters, almost the end of book 4...

🕑 Added 2020-04-26 00:00:01 +0000 UTC

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CSH

RCH - I do think there is a narrow path to Josh coming out of this okay. Shockingly it’s pretty simple. Sit down and talk to your wife honestly about your fear she’s having an affair. You’re right, I suspect that if he could simply say - “well that’s cool, you kids have a good time! “ The affair would also ironically end. He just can’t do either because it’s with Devlin and he has an erotic reaction specifically to the thought of her with Devlin. Also he Really really loves his wife and he’s just decided to trust her absolutely until the truth smacks him in the face. Yes, maybe the admission of the truth is Devlin finally taking her in front of him, though if he is drunk enough to fool himself, then even that might not work. That’s what happened last time, right? “Dude I just fucked Kimmy!” Elicited “wow I drank so much, I just imagined Devlin telling me he fucked Kimmy” Maybe next time its “ I drank so much, I thought I saw Devlin fucking Kimmy” LOL. My basic point is we should understand why he is behaving this way which seemingly makes no sense whatsoever and is self destructive.

CSH

Yes, For those feeling Josh is a weak and unlikable character, the upshot is that we shouldn’t expect either Devlin or Josh to act like normal people in everyday life. Because of their history, there’s a compulsion at work driving them to behave self-destructively. Faced with a challenge from any other man, Josh could potentially act to save his marriage. Faced with this threat from Devlin Stone, Josh is a scared HS boy getting a boner. Devlin might sleep with another man’s wife, but when it’s Josh wife, he’ll corrupt her and teach her to taunt and humiliate him. We’ve really turned a corner in the story now and Josh’s psychological masochism, Kimmy’s thrill seeking, and Devlin’s sadism are going to form a self-reinforcing feedback loop, so I expect this to get really dark, really fast.

RCH

Both of you CSH & Donkatsu make good points here. I think Devlin's end game would be to have Josh watch as he defiles Kimmy. Josh could witness it in the open or from a hidden location that Devlin sets up. Yes, it's the taunt that get him off. As for Josh a very common way of treating someone with a fear or phobia is to confront it. I couldn't think of a quicker way to have Devlin go soft than for Josh to encourage Devlin's ravagement of Kimmy. After he is done have Kimmy ask for Josh to "Make Love" to her and take her back (and meaning it) . What a looser with a big dick! GAME OVER MAN!

RCH

KT maybe I should write a "Erotic Writers Guide to the Science of Sex".

Chinookfan72

Pregnancy is a possibility for sure, but I’m still holding out hope it doesn’t occur.. There was a child from an affair in both Cherry Blossoms and Learning Lessons so we’ve seen KT do the trope before. It doesn’t means she can’t do it here too, but Iit’s just not my personal preference. As for the texts Devlin surely makes the most sense as the sender, but it’s also possible Devlin shared the details of his actions with someone between leaving Kimmy’s and Josh receiving the texts. Amy makes the most sense if a third person is used. Devlin is friends with her and could have called her and told her all the details.. who knows.. maybe the answer will finally be revealed in book 5... or perhaps book 6, 7, 8, 9...23 :).

Donkatsu

You are likely on to something here. The bully gets off on the act as well as the result. He likes the process, which includes being able to watch the girl change the way she views the victim (other people in general, actually, but who cares about them). The real humiliation is seeing the change in how others treat the victim, especially the target female. Once again, I cannot recommend the Prime series, “The Fall” strongly enough. There is a bullying subplot with a Loyalist thug from Shankill Road in Belfast and his lifelong victim, a newsie for a local paper. The thug takes his car, his phone, the victim cringes as soon as the bully raises his voice. As Glaucon observed some time ago on this thread, the victim is returned psychologically, and physically, to the state of terror he faced in HS or earlier at the hands of this dick, as soon as he makes a menacing move or changes the tone of his voice. Maybe, Devlin does not get much of this any more in business; success and wealth are a bore to him and he needs the thrill of a fresh (or rewarmed) kill every so often.

CSH

Suppose for a second that the HS bullying between Devlin and Josh was as formative for Devlin as it was for Josh. Devlin is sexually excited by humiliating Josh and taking his girl just as Josh is sexually excited by having his girl taken by Devlin. Is Devlin really any more in control of it than Josh? The texts, the fever dream in the tent, Devlin constantly prodding her to taunt Josh - all say maybe not. Maybe Devlin has done something similar with other couples? He’s developed a philosophy around it anyway. That’s why I think those expecting him to offer irrefutable proof to Josh are going to be out of luck, at least till the end game. Devlin could just take a picture of himself fucking Kimmy and show Josh but he wants Josh hooked in. Devlin would lose interest in Kimmy in an instant if Josh up and left her. That’s also why I think he will want to have personal interaction with Kimmy and Josh. He will want to enjoy the taunting and Josh’s angst in person. He’ll need Kimmy to convince Josh to meet. Devlin and Kimmy will throw this affair in Josh’s face but they will always want a way for Josh to delude himself that it’s not true - so it can all continue.

Wess

Really hoping it's just the fantasy of Devlin and Kimmy that lights Josh up. I need the tension of a total meltdown if/when he discovers that she has been fucking him for a while. Also plays to my revenge fantasy if he can hold it together and get some sweet retribution.

KT Morrison

RCH—love the dirty science!

RCH

Not disagreeing with a long term possibility of pregnancy for Kimmy just don't see it happening so soon. Later baby roulette may enter into things it may start with dirty talk between Josh and Kimmy. Texting is a mute point at this time I agree that it doesn't help things and only make the plot awkward. Now the details in the previous texts point to Devlin only because only he would know about the business card that he put in the drawer. Kimmy didn't have Amy visit the apartment so she couldn't plant it. Devlin, it fits his modus operandi put the both Kimmy and Josh in unsettling positions. Looking froward to book 5!

Glaucon

Pregnancy by Devlin has definitely been heavily foreshadowed.

CSH

I’m among those who think a pregnancy is a strong long-term possibility. Suspect Kimmy eventually won’t be able to resist the thrill.

CSH

If not Devlin sending the texts then maybe Amy somehow. She’s the only minor character given a real role so far. Bet she still wants that threesome. The texts are a potentially problematic plot point. I think it’s tough to find a believable scenario where Josh doesn’t show them to Kimmy or at least save them. He’s unlikely to delete them again. We may not see those start again. They served a function that’s no longer needed at the moment.

RCH

Hit Return by mistake! Anyway what I was saying is Josh would not get the classic bleach odor of semen when Kimmy got home it would be getting on to the funky smelly body/vagina smell by that time. When My wife and I were in the lifestyle swing and such she had one boyfriend that was a hours drive or so from home. If she didn't cleanup and headed home soon after then she would have a mess in her panties and a detectable odor of semen. The wetness and such would be detectable for many hours after.

RCH

Don't see a pregnancy in the near future for Kimmy she is on a business track right now! KT generally doesn't go that route as frequently as some writers. For all practical purposes she got started back on the pill and there is not mush chance for pregnancy. A Dr. might tell her to use protection to be safe but given the timing when she started backup I would say she is safe. KT nailed the description of what Josh would find if he went down on Kimmy 3+ hours after Devlin ravaged her. She maybe sore, a bit inflamed, funky smelling, sweaty and gooey but I doubt he would be able to detect the taste or smell of Devlin. Kimmy's vagina needs to maintain a acidic environment for her to remain healthy. Devlin's deposit has done its job with in a minute or two after ejaculation. The fact Kimmy orgasmed close to Devlin's would have increased the quantity of swimmers that made it into her uterus (that is why douching after sex is not very effective). The rest that is left in her vagina would have started to liquefy after 30 min or so. after that the activity of the sperm cells slow and they die because of the increase in the acidity in the vagina. The acidity increase is caused by the bacteria in Kimmy's vagina. The nutrients in Devlin's semen would help fuel this and soon get the PH of her vagina back to normal ASAP. All the viable sperms have made their way past her cervix and beyond.

RCH

Love the jaws analogy it was a very large white beast! Devlin is going to continue to circle. Imagine the cleaning staff having to contend with the smudges. Some look like two sets of hand prints lower down resemble butt cheek prints?

Glaucon

We've still got those big office windows to make use of.

Glaucon

I think I might be hard pressed to think of a "standard" cuckold theme that KT HASN'T explored (and with good reason). Also there is exactly a zero percent chance she doesn't have sex with Devlin again. That would be the equivalent of Jaws just swimming away forever 30 minutes into the movie.

Donkatsu

What if it's Karina, who was turned to the Dark Side by Devlin after HS and she is the one sending the messages? I know, this doesn't fit with the lunch Kimmy and Karina had early on but KT can figure out how to smooth this out. Also imagine the birthing suite, with Josh barely keeping it together while Amy takes charge: baby boy emerging and Amy says “wow, look at the size of those hands,” and a moment later the midwife exclaims “holy shit!” as the boy’s abdomen emerges.

DavidnDaria

I think Kimmy getting knocked up by Devlin is a good possibility, even if she's one-and-done (which I doubt). It seems to be a standard cuckold theme, though. When has KT written anything that's "standard"?

Glaucon

Well, I expect things between Kimmy and Devlin are going to escalate exponentially (How far? I've shared some ideas in the past and I still think them likely, especially Kimmy getting knocked up by Devlin). The narrative wildcard element in my estimation appears to be this possibility that at least some texts were getting to Josh from a source other than Devlin. I agree with others that, on the face of it, it would seem unlikely based on the facts that we know. What makes the most sense is that the texts were from Devlin. It fits everything we know about him and the situation. However, purely based on the way that it was written, the passage reads to me like the author intends for us to seriously consider that someone else sent them. Which, well, I'm not sure what the narrative purpose of that would be for the reader if it wasn't true? That's kind of using the form of the narrative to draw conclusions/begging the question, but it's just the feeling I get.

Chinookfan72

RCH, pops moved to Markham after he sold his business.

CSH

Yeah, I’m of the opinion that Josh needs it to just be a fantasy. Even admitting that is a huge step but makes it safer and allows him to indulge the dark side of his fantasy. Having it be real is way to much for him. In my opinion the day it’s undeniably real to him is the day the marriage (and the story) ends.

RCH

Kimmy's dad lives in Kingston so that could be an opportunity to have a sit down with Devlin Chinookfan72.

RCH

The geography is easy to visualize Kingston is at the Eastern end of the North shore of Lake Ontario, Hamilton is at the far Western end in the middle between North and South shores. Toronto is about 7/8th to the Western end of the lake. Ajax is about 3/4th to the Western end of the Lake. 401 highway runs through Ajax and close to Kingston and runs a bit to the North of Toronto. Will have to the Ontario government to name it: "The Kimmy Waters Booty Call Highway". Do a quick Google Maps check to get a feel of the area. I did earlier this year helped to create a vision of the area.

Chinookfan72

for sure Donkatsu, there are multiple ways it could work. CSH, tongue in cheek noted, my argument back is what Devlin has told Josh isn’t proof, proof would be pictures, videos, being in the room etc. The premise is he knows everything, right now Josh doesn’t know anything, all he has are assumptions. Also Kimmy can’t be the one telling him everything because at the same time she thinks it’s a secret affair. It could be someone else, but there is no way someone else will know everything.

JL23

I think that was the most consequential chapter thus far. Josh let his kink slip out for the first time to Kimmy, and Kimmy got the first hint that if she plays things right, she may be able to get all she wants...mind blowing sex with Devlin but in a way where she actually solidifies her relationship with Josh. Now that will not be easy, because I still think for Josh the excitement is in the unknowns...in the idea that Kimmy MIGHT be cheating on him with Devlin. I don’t think he would like the reality. So we’ll see if Kimmy can play that game without confirming anything. That will not be easy, and there’s still Devlin and his game...what does he tell Josh. But after this chapter, I’m maybe back to the idea that Josh never really finds out for certain, and that Kimmy continues to be with Devlin and uses those real experiences to fuel the “fantasy” for Josh and continue to ramp up their own sex life.

RCH

Well, let us not forget the tent! Devlin told Josh he had ask Devlin to fuck Kimmy! Was it true? Don't know but our boy is starting to question himself on that point. I see a good opportunity coming up for Devlin to tell Kimmy about it. She may find it believable after Josh's request for dirty talk. I could see it as a card Devlin could play if Kimmy is reluctant next time. I would imagine Devlin will try to have another rendezvous soon to keep her interest.

DavidnDaria

It's all good, man. :)

Donkatsu

Glaucon: lawyers are born not made, IMHO. Married to one (Big Law, Maggie and Keeley's alma mater) for many years. As children the future lawyers were able to convince their parents that the broken glass on the floor should be attributed to the next door neighbor/little brother/boogey man/etc. They also were able to effectively extort their sibs for favours after discovering minor transgressions without the parents ever knowing about the plea bargaining. Law school was just the official recognition of this innate talent. So you are correct in noting that the absence of courses on rhetoric or argumentation detracts little from the final product of that legal education. However, we also miss your keen head shrinking skills and insights with regard to the future bullying relationships in this loving menage.😈

CSH

Good point. I don’t know the geography so hadn't really considered that part. Generally bosses and employees have social events occasionally. I just don’t see Josh having any contact unless Devlin initiates it somehow through Kimmy, who he increasingly will influence.

CSH

So please take this as tongue in cheek but for those of you insisting that Josh should know cause that’s the story that got pitched, I’d say y’all are like Josh right now. KT has given you what you asked for just on her terms not yours. Remember the poll? 1. Josh knows cause Devlin told him - he already told him. 2. Josh knows cause Kimmy told him - now she’s started to tell him. 3. Josh doesn’t know - we’ll he does but then he doesn’t. 4. Somebody else tells him - well there’s the rub. We’ll see where that goes. Just pointing out we are getting teased a bit by KT. She said he’d know cause he was told but not that Josh would believe it.

Donkatsu

It does not have to be cooperative or voluntary on Josh’s part. In keeping with the HS power relationship, Devlin can threaten Josh and taunt him with exposure to Kimmy. Josh can pretend with Kimmy that she is just trash talking. Devlin extends his grip on the two, Kimmy gets to play and taunt Josh with recountings that are largely true, and Josh gets to pretend he is not abused by both of them. Until Josh takes affirmative steps to realign the balances of power with both Kimmy and Devlin he will live in a state of tormented, angst-filled arousal.

Chinookfan72

I want Devlin to interact with Josh because the premise of the story we voted on was Josh was going to know the whole time while Kimmy thinks it’s an affair.. the only person that can do that is Devlin. Also if this story gets darker it’ll be more enjoyable for me if Josh knows what’s going on and still allows it to happen. I agree If Devlin starts taunting again it will cause suspicion. Thus I can only see it working if Josh and Devlin come to an agreement that Devlin will loop him in, but he can’t tell Kimmy he knows.. One scenario would be, after Josh processes this encounter he finally admits he wants Kimmy to cheat, but is too embarrassed to admit it to Kimmy so he reaches out to Devlin to seduce her and give him details.

JamesIsAsleep

I think I get why you would say that, but I can see a scenario where Devlin continues texting Josh. I could see the combination of Devlin's taunting and Kimmy's teasing maybe leading to a moment of real suspicion.

Chinookfan72

yeah I don’t think texting out of the blue makes sense either, my thinking is Josh is going to get so knotted up in trying to prove Kimmy is doing it he’ll reach out to Devlin and make a deal out of desperation. Or a scenario where Devlin confronts Josh about telling Kimmy about the prior messages and they come to some kind of agreement for it to continue without Kimmy being aware. I can’t see Kimmy and Josh socially interacting with Devlin. I’d find it hard to believe Josh would ever accept an apology from Devlin in the first place.. Secondly what would they do? Devlin lives in Kingston which is 2 hours north, so I doubt Josh would ever drive 4 hours round trip to hang out with Devlin on a weekend, and I doubt he’d want to go to his local hangout spots in fear of running into someone he knows. The only remaining option would be meeting in Toronto, but how often does Devlin even come to Toronto? That’s like a 6 hour round trip for him.. That seems like a really long way to travel just to fuck with Josh for a couple hours and not have sex with Kimmy.

CSH

Notice he didn’t get to have sex with her? He didn’t make it in last time either. This time it was twice, outside. Might be a while till little Josh makes love to his wife if she keeps grabbing hold and talking to him to get him off. Josh is in real trouble here. Honestly, there may not be a limit to what he’ll believe from her now. She’s gonna take all the trust he has to lend her and demand more. I imagine Devlin is going to love it when Kimmy tells him what just happened. “Rubbed his face in it, squirted your semen into his mouth” This will then rev Kimmy’s engine up big time and make her want to get away with even more. I don’t see the texting as viable. But I definitely think there’s eventually a path where Devlin starts to interact with them as a couple on a seemingly platonic social level. After a certain point, with her working for him this would be almost inevitable. Maybe Devlin could trigger it by superficially apologizing for being such an ass in high school. The social interaction would give all three a secret thrill for their own individual reasons. It would have to come later down the line but would ramp the tension up mightily. Maybe what Devlin wants is not Kimmy but the Waters as a couple.

Chinookfan72

Looking forward to how KT uses this new wrinkle of Josh wanting Kimmy to talk about Devlin.. I’d imagine it isn’t a one time thing so it does provide Kimmy a way to “admit” what she is doing without actually coming clean. More importantly to me though, I see it as a vessel for her to up the humiliation as she gets in deeper with Devlin and it can help Josh accept that something between Kimmy and Devlin might happen. I think the story would get real repetitive if after every time Kimmy and Devlin get together we get a replay of these last couple chapters. Not saying I don’t want Kimmy and Josh scenes like this chapter, it’s more avoiding the prior two chapters with a Kimmy feeling guilty and Josh being mad (and hopefully not after every time a Kimmy and a Devlin hook up. I do hope we get to a scenario where Kimmy and Josh are intimate less because her and Devlin are getting together so frequently.) My one concern is that this new wrinkle in Kimmy and Josh’s sex life might eliminate the need for Devlin to interact with Josh. Personally I want more Devlin and Josh interactions, I really liked the idea of Devlin keeping Josh up to speed on the happenings (through humiliation and bullying of course).

Sitri

Oh this was a very nice one. I like this.

JamesIsAsleep

Agreed, now Kimmy has a bit of coverage from tonight as Josh mulls over his own kink. Kimmy also has the weird benefit of being able to tell the truth to Josh now, while being able to claim shes just saying things to turn him on. As DnD mentioned above, maybe a couple weeks from now she can tell Josh the truth, and when it's all over with they can cuddle? Afterwards ... "Wow, was any of that true, Kimmy?" "What? I just said that stuff to turn you on" "Ok ... wait but was it true?" "Goodnight, baby!"

Chinookfan72

looking forward to Kimmy’s thoughts too, but I really wanna be the fly on the wall when Kimmy gives Amy a call and tells her how the night went including the parts with Josh.

RCH

Nice save Kimmy! Didn't have to deny anything else! Josh psyched himself out like how this is going! I hope we get a glimpse of Kimmy's thoughts maybe in the shower?

DavidnDaria

Three days later.... "Tell me Kimmy.... Tell me... T..tell me Devlin fucked... y... you." "He did, Josh... He fucked me so good." "When, Kimmy.... t..tell me..." "Remember that meeting...." ... "He's going to be the only one fucking me..."


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