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Devil In The Waters, Book 3, Chapter 7b (complete)

🕑 Added 2020-02-28 01:00:02 +0000 UTC

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Wess

I get the panty issue but KT also made a point of this interaction happening in the exact same place. Maybe a bit of both? I think we are cheering for different directions in this story. I enjoy Hotwife stories but KT can bring a special edge that I crave. If she goes dark, I'll go with her.

Chinookfan72

you and I had similar reactions regarding the hall way incident, If Kimmy had panties on and denied him I could see it, the only difference between these two scenarios is Kimmy has something to lose in Josh’s scenario, she had nothing to lose in Devlin’s scenario (sure a neighbor could have seen Devlin, but that’s explained away easily enough, just because someone stops by doesn’t mean they are fucking.) I think your win-win scenario could be a good direction for the story if KT’s plans are to bring this into hotwife territory. So I’m not sure this happens now in the story, but I could see that be the transition down the road.

Chinookfan72

exactly TF.. That’s why I’m considering it capitulation rather than support because Josh is surrendering rather than agreeing it’s a good idea. Josh to me is like the french in WWII, he surrendered and then a small part of him is running covert ops to undermine the German (Kimmy’s) plans, such as scheduling the trampoline park date in hopes being around kids makes her want to have a family sooner etc.

RCH

Wess, I don't see any symbolic issue with her putting off sex on the entry-hall table. Yes, she may feel some guilt because Devlin had fingered her there. The main reason Kimmy is putting off Josh, she is still panty-less! It all makes sense that she wants to change into lingerie for Josh! A quick cleanup and slip on the lingerie no evidence of her afternoon activities... I stated before This could turn into a win-win for Josh and Kimmy if Devlin or Josh reveals their interaction in the tent. Josh is already getting spontaneous erections when he thing about Kimmy with Devlin. It's obvious that Kimmy is good at manipulating Josh. What if Josh voices his concerns and at the same time has a physical reaction? This could lead to them opening up to her fooling around or at least it could become a bedroom fantasy for now.

TF

Seems to me that in the context of Devlin bullying him all through high school, renewing the engagement at the reunion and subsequently by texting, telling Kimmy to “do what you want” relative to working closely with Devlin is pretty strong support. On the other hand, not being capable of laying out his actual fears to Kimmy is pretty weak. Guess these realistic complications are what make these stories of KT so fascinating.

Wess

I think Kimmy denying Josh sex in a place in his own home b/c she let Devlin have her there is the best humiliation yet. Especially liked her firm denial. I know it was good because I really wanted to see Josh get upset and say just forget it.

Chinookfan72

I’d agree with Glauc we all say strength, but probably have a different way of defining what strong is. To me strength is all about standing up for yourself and what you believe in.. Under this loose definition, Josh is anything but strong currently and Devin would be the Canadian strong man champion currently. I’d be surprised if that is maintained thought the entirety of the story. As far as Josh being supportive, the only example I can come up with that illustrates this is Josh helping finish the baskets. I wouldn’t call what Josh supportive of Kimmy’s decision to go back to work or to put off kids... What Josh is doing seems more like capitulation to me rather than support. I wouldn’t even say Josh was supportive of Kimmy going back to work.. To me “do what you want” isn’t support that is indifference. To me support is more helping them achieve their goals, Josh just seems to not be getting in Kimmy’s way. Not saying my interpretation is right by any means, but I find our differing interpretations of the same story interesting.

TF

Oh no, if you're going to throw syllogisms at me I give up already, ha, ha!

Donkatsu

Just looking at how KT can use her art to address important contemporary issues.

Glaucon

Haha, I dunno about this coronavirus spinoff you're pitching, but Magnum XLs will have greater water capacity

Glaucon

Ah, but Kim didn't seem to want the opportunity until Devlin started selling her on it - she even acknowledges the manipulation/pick-up artist bullshit in her first chapter with Devlin. For the values bit, I'm referring to book 1 stuff where Kim refers to Devlin's comments about women being defined by reproduction (supposedly the argument that got them handsy in the first place), immigration stuff, politics, etc. As for ‘strong,’ this is kinda my hobby-horse in these discussions but I truly believe we all use too many different definitions of strong (aka there’s no such thing as “strength,” but don’t mind me I was a philosophy major) to come to any meaningful conclusion.

TF

Yep, differing interpretations for sure but think they do add to one’s appreciation of the developing story. Certainly agree that Devlin is using her (kinda think ‘exploit’ is too strong…he is providing an opportunity that she seems to want independently of his sexual attraction) both for his business and to bully Josh (uncertain how that’s going to go but after that initial scene in Josh’s tent I can’t see it not still being important to him). As to Kimmy’s values, Devlin probably doesn’t even notice them. Definitely think Josh is the straight arrow here and his support of Kimmy admirable. Interesting question then is who is the strong one, Devlin or Josh?

Donkatsu

Book 3, Chapter 7c (Covid-19 hits Ontario): "Kimmy, what do we need from Walmart for Cv-19 stocking up?" "Well, Josh, we have the paper products and canned food on the list; you might want to get some first aid supplies, alcohol, bandages, cold and headache medicines, and some rubbers. I think a couple of dozen regulars and 4-5 dozen Magnums." "Magnums, why would we need those!?" "I think we ought to have the regular ones in case the B-C pill supply is disrupted and we can use the Magnums for filling up with water in case the treatment plants go out." "Öh, good thinking, Kimmy."

Glaucon

That’s certainly how Devlin would spin it/is spinning it. Everything’s layered and open to interpretations "from a certain point of view." I think it’s equally true to say that Devlin is exploiting Kimmy and has shown derision for her values, while Josh has been supportive of basically any life choice she’s made so far, even when they’re contradictory (deciding to try for a baby again, deciding instead to go back to work).

TF

Very good point…the symmetry of the two situations does emphasize Kimmy’s contrasting responses to the aggressive asshole and diffident nice guy. There is another difference…Devlin is the boss providing Kimmy with a challenging position with a big salary whereas Josh, by virtue of being her husband, generates guilt and one who maybe is a little bit in the way of her ambition.

Glaucon

Yeah there are definitely excuses available to her, but her actions feel heavily guilt driven (like her reaction to Sophie earlier).

Glaucon

Kimmy has a compelling reason to deny Devlin in every single encounter they have, but the defining distinction between every one of those scenarios and this scenario with Josh is that, during this scenario with Josh, she really can say no to him and mean it in a way she can't with Devlin. It especially underlines the contrast when they're placed in the exact same location that we first saw Kimmy give in to Devlin in book one, but whereas Kimmy in the front hallway was compliant and submissive to Devlin pushing past her protests, with Josh she is "stiffened and wouldn’t bend," wounding his pride.

Tracey52

I just wish Josh would push and put his hand up her skirt.

Chinookfan72

the reason I brought it up is that this specific situation doesn’t seem to speak to Josh’s lack of sexual power in the relationship. Even if she never denied him once in her life she was going to deny him here.

KT Morrison

It might be a little much. I've scheduled the next releases three days apart, but they're complete chapters. Same amount of words, but delivered in heavier packets.

Glaucon

Yes, I understand the reason for her actions. I considered explicitly including that in my comment, but I figured it was obvious and not necessary to express.

Chinookfan72

I agree with you in general, but isn’t Kimmy’s reluctance in this instance specifically because she has no underwear on and if Josh finds out there will have to be some explaining to do.

Glaucon

KT, how are you feeling about the daily mini-releases? I feel like I can never get enough per release to get a handle on the situation.

Glaucon

I like the juxtaposition here of how far Kimmy will go with Devlin, how much control she lets him have over her, contrasted with her denying Josh, and his comparative lack of sexual power in their relationship.

JamesIsAsleep

Crisis averted, but narrowly! Phew! I think Kimmy could have spun being pantiless but for some reason her guilt really made her worried about Josh finding out about that. What I continue to love about Kimmy's actions is Josh can conclude that Kimmy has a plan and she really wants to stick to that, Kimmy being stubborn again.


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