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Devil In The Waters 10-3

🕑 Added 2023-05-17 02:00:02 +0000 UTC

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CSH

Yeah I get it. We are just coming at this from different directions. KT will likely surprise us both.

L_S87

Hmm. I see your point. There's a difference between Josh finding out 2 weeks from now, (assuming Kimmy is successful in manipulating him back into the fold) and him finding out 6 months from now after weeks of more coercion, manipulation and deceit where things culminate in Devlin's stated outcome of making Josh watch. Depending how that would go and how many times Kimmy thrusts those types of scenarios on him... I could see a possibility where Josh finds a way to excuse or ignore it because he's basically a hostage with Stockholm Syndrome at that point. I just don't think it's that likely. (In my very biased because I want a certain outcome opinion, lol) Regardless, KT will show us what is in store for them, and I can't wait because she's amazing at creating these stories for us to discuss. I'll go back to my moralizing, because I still want Kimmy to be punished!

CSH

Yeah you are right as to his responses but in each case, he came back and continued the game. At this point I think you are right about him shrugging it off but at a certain point in the future I expect he will have fallen so low that he can’t get out. Without getting too graphic, I’d just say go back and look at the readers poll KT did on humiliating Josh. At a certain point, Kimmy’s lying to him will be the least he has to worry about. Though, yes it will at least allow him the fiction that he did not do it willingly. Anyway they are all characters in a book. I think too many people see it as a morality play where evil is punished and good is rewarded. I see it as a cautionary tale. A sexual horror story of sorts. I think a happy ending would ruin this one.

KT Morrison

Thank you. Sometimes one has to roll up their sleeves.

L_S87

That's the fun of this, we all get to read the same thing and have different takes on it. I just fundamentally disagree with how Josh will react to "the whole truth". I don't discount what you said about Kimmy telling him lies he wants to hear, because that is quite true. However, i think it's also important to note that this same Josh is the guy who cried his eyes out in the car outside the hotel because he was hurting so bad. It's the same Josh who puked his guts out after Kimmy's recorded story with Devlin. Its the Josh who was pissed with Kimmy for humiliating him in front of the tailor by implying she had intimate knowledge of Devlin's junk (and she only got out of that one by seducing him with parking lot sex). And now we have the Josh who is so mad that he's virtually ignored Kimmy for an entire week. Because of panties. Angry enough that Kimmy is deathly afraid he's done with her and was willing to follow him all the way to Italy to manipulate a minor miracle into reality because she's positive if she doesn't, he's gone. (Let's not forget, Kimmy herself has stated she believes what she has done isn't forgivable and was positive Josh would leave her if he discovered the truth) Knowing all that, i find it hard to believe that any lie, or any scenario, that Kimmy cooks up to bring him back in the fold would ever blind him enough that if he found out about all of her other indiscretions, he'd have a "meh, i'm okay with it" response.

CSH

The Josh character already knows the truth. Hell, Kimmy has openly told Josh the truth several times. We see the progression and conflict as he gets closer and closer to admitting that he knows and that he has known all along. Kimmy lies to him but mostly at his behest when he communicates what lies he needs her to tell so he could pretend to believe her. That happened multiple times as well. In Cayman, then when he came home with her undies, etc. Josh has become addicted to Kimmy’s humiliation of him just as she is getting hooked on the same thing. Neither he nor Kimmy is going to stop. I think that’s the point here. Their sexual obsession with Devlin has taken them over and is fundamentally changing who they are and how they relate to each other. I just think it’s clear Josh doesn’t really want the truth. Yet, anyway - I think Devlin at some point will just tell him to completely crush him.

Donkatsu

Went back and reread the last half of Book 9. The goings on, sheer deviousness and ill-intent are so plain it is difficult to have much empathy with Kimmy's hurt puppy act. Perhaps she will go down into Rome"s catacombs and try to find an answer there.

L_S87

I agree it's great, but I see it differently. I see telling lies at best allowing her to have Josh and Devlin in the short term, at worst losing access to both as Kimmy herself has said half her interest in Devlin is how it makes her feel in relation to Josh. I say that because her lies allowing her to have both require not just her lies being maintained in perpetuity, but for her to control the uncontrollable: other people's actions. Gaslighting Josh into believing this is all on him only works until he finds out she was having sex with Devlin before Josh ever broached the subject of his kinks with her. At that point, the game doesn't exist because it was never his and Kimmy's game, taken too far, it was Kimmy and Devlin's game. If Josh is struggling now over a pair of panties, how will he feel about that???

CSH

But that’s what makes this one great. She’s Josh’s vision of goodness and she is willingly becoming totally corrupted by Devlin. By the way, refusing to ever tell the truth is the sign of a really practiced liar. If she tells Josh the truth, at best she loses either Josh or Devlin and maybe both. If she sticks to the lie she can have both.

Wess

Great analysis. Love reading other’s reaction to this sordid relationship. I’m about done with Kimmy. Almost everything she says, and does seems to summon up a new level of bile within me. She’s just a disgusting person. Devlin is too sadistic, simple & narcissistic to evoke the same desire to see him suffer. No one writes characters that make me feel what KT’s do. Thanks for the sublime torture. Love it❤️❤️

Mike Monroe

Yeah I agree with most of the comments from everyone. I love this forum. Kimmy is a master manipulator. I know that however she may feel a bit pained in what she is doing...this is all a part of Her and Devlin's plan. They mean Josh no good at all. For all the coming to Italy because of the suit she bought him and feeling of being left...BS. She is so good at getting Josh to feel maybe all of this is his fault...which we know it's not. Kimmy is just angling Josh for his destruction! She wants to have her cake and eat it too!

KT Morrison

Brilliant!

Tracey52

Yeah. I can’t see Josh sticking to his guns either. While Kimmy seems contrite, I think she is still trying to manipulate Josh to have her cake a eat it too. Come onJosh, I’m rooting for you. Keep pressing.

L_S87

CSH hit the nail on the head. I'm glad i'm not the only one to have read that and drawn a very similar conclusion. The emotions here, on both sides, are so impactful. A part of me hates where this feels like it's heading, and yet i love every moment of reading about it. While Josh's pain is evident, i feel like, as much as i want to discount it, that Kimmy is clearly in pain as well. She's struggling with the fruit of her actions with Devlin. She admitted several books ago that she knew this was the inevitable outcome and that it was her fault for the choices she made, yet faced with the reality of what it means, she refuses to let go. She's willingly to do ANYTHING to keep him, well... except tell the truth that is. I wish she would come clean, if for no other reason than this path she's chosen doesn't fix anything, the truth still holds their relationship hostage, like the Sword of Damocles.... waiting to cleave through everything and destroy it. Because her implication at the end, of doing anything for Josh, and the implied guilt that puts on Josh, that this is all his fault, is horribly inaccurate. We as readers know this, even if Josh doesn't. Yes, it's meant to be the ultimate manipulation (Kimmy's version of doing anything to get him back) to convince Josh this is all his fault, it's what he wanted, how could he possibly blame her and treat her like this??? Yet, by eschewing the truth in this case to fall back on an almost demonic level of twisted reality, she builds their entire regrowth on a weak foundation of lies. One comment from Devlin, a text from Amy, one whispered rumor from someone who talked to the girl at the hotel, or the realtor for Devlin's apartment... and it all comes crashing down. Irretrievably. Which is why i wish she'd just fess up. She's the ultimate succubus though. Lies, manipulation and temptation. Those are her grift. Not truth. Nor love.

CSH

Nice one. This is what we come here for, this level of realism. Well, that and the perversion, lol. Perfectly drawn characters here. I especially love how you have developed Kimmy. She’s genuinely desperate but also plumbing new depths of corruption, manipulation and deceit. Well done on Josh’s internal battle over who’s to blame. Kimmy has become expert at implying without saying, that it’s all his fault. He then jumps on it to blame himself again. And that last statement- holy crap is it filled with multiple implications for the future and the past. It’s another way of saying “It’s all your fault, Josh. Both what happened and what’s about to happen.” From Josh’s perspective it’s actually reasonable to believe it. Once she’s lovingly got him admitting he’s at fault, hard mean new Kimmy can draw him in with something along the lines of “ just embrace who you are - I’ll help you because I love you.”

Glaucon

Big Oof. I've got a lot of respect for your ability to write the painful parts of this without looking away. So much dread underlying it all, though, and we're just here waiting for the other shoe to drop.


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