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DITW 11-7: Revelations

🕑 Added 2023-08-08 00:00:04 +0000 UTC

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Pete

He definitely feels responsible, but I also think he doesn't want the fantasy to end. I think perpetuating the fantasy, keeping if well-nourished, is a big driver for him. KT writes: "The truth was he didn’t want to know. Not out of fear, not out of sanctity. If he knew the truth, it would devastate him. And if he knew, this would end. It would be over. As terrible as this was—at times unbearable—there had never been anything in his life more exciting than this. Nothing had been more electrifying than the existential horror of Kimmy’s fidelity with a man who terrorized him."

Kat

I also am interested in Kimmy’s thoughts, more than what she says to Josh. What she tells Josh is pointless, because it’s crafted for her benefit. While she is absolutely heinous, she has expressed regret and guilt to herself for all the things she’s done. I’m hoping to hear more of that. I’m also hoping she’s going to find herself in a tough spot when her pregnancy is revealed.

L_S87

Can't speak for Kat, but my enlightenment would come from knowing Kimmy's thoughts and understanding why she's saying certain things, lying about others, and omitting certain truths entirely. It’s not an expectation of Josh to be enlightened. That ship sailed, I think. Kimmy has no desire to go down that road, imo, because she thinks it would be disastrous for her. I'm more wanting to know Kimmy's thoughts on why she chose this in between path. Right now we have conjecture and hypotheticals, I'm hoping we get some of her internal dialogue that gives insight into her choices. A brief glimpse into the mind of a heinous bitch. :)

L_S87

You're right, but, I think Josh's hesitancy to know is flavored by thinking this is all his fault. He doesn't want to know because he thinks it's all his fault. He doesn't want to know what his darkness has wrought. So he pushes the truth away, because he doesn't realize most of this isn't his darkness, it's Kimmy's. He thinks he pushed Kimmy at Devlin, not realizing she jumped for it before he ever started pushing their game. My opinion is that "truth" is pivotal and would change his thinking, and is born out by how often he attaches not knowing the "truth" to this all being his fault.

Donkatsu

Good points, Kat. I have a question, though. Given how duplicitous and heinous (love that word) Kimmy has acted toward Josh, why would we expect anything more enlightening about the picture. Wouldn't she just give him some BS about how Devlin has undressed her before and taken photos of it. Then she gave him a wank, or something like that just to make him go away? Which allows her to segue into something like this: "And all the time, I was thinking about our love, Josh, and the life we have together. But the big bad man said he would beat you up if I did not show him my flower. I was just protecting you. And those panties that keep disappearing from the dresser, I'm really at a loss about that, Josh. Tell me the truth, are you wearing them? I always knew you were a pervert! Amy warned me."

CSH

I agree with Donkatsu here. To know the truth all Josh has to do is sit down calmly and insist on it. Basically saying, “Ooooh tell me, tell me Kimmy!” while he’s buried balls deep in her isn’t the way to get the truth, it’s a way to get his rocks off. He even says it here, he doesn’t want to know too much.

Mike Monroe

I believe The Book of Revelation is where we are. Kimmy is trying to rapture Josh on to her side how his awakening should go and Devilin wants hell on earth.....total destruction!!!!

Mike Monroe

I get that but there is really too much smoke going on here. He is really too trusting when the evident is right there. If the missing time in Cayman island wasn't enough all the other stuff going presently ..WTF!!! the meeting with Devilin and the photo also?? how he can take the blame for the game is beyond me, KImmy has been shady since beginning . He is choosing to be willfully ignorant. The fact that Kimmy would do anything with his tormentor after knowing full well how her husband... the supposedly love of her life feels about him definitely speak volumes about her respect for her husband...Period

Donkatsu

Agree, but most of Josh’s ignorance of the truth is willful. He could know much more of the picture, even without reliance on Kimmy telling the truth rather than gaslighting him all the time.

Kat

I hope we get another chapter soon. I want to know what Kimmy was thinking throughout this scene. She is totally heinous and duplicitous, but intriguing, as well. I need more from her perspective. In a couple defining moments in this story, it seemed like Josh was becoming stronger and ready to assert himself, but right afterwards, Kimmy found a way to make him crawl back in his shell. I wish he’d get more of the whole story, or at least confront her for real about what he knows. (Show her the photo on your phone!)

L_S87

I think Josh's lack of backbone is largely because he doesn't know what he doesn't know. So he's making decisions, and formulating thoughts based on an incorrect data set. There's a world of difference between Josh's assumption of this all being his fault and the reality of what's unfolded. Kimmy lies, manipulates and keeps him in the dark because of that difference. Josh even states here, as weak as he is, that he knows what the inevitable outcome would be if he knew the entire truth. He would have to leave. And that's with him thinking the "truth" is all his fault and he bears 100% responsibility for Kimmy's actions. We've seen Josh be firm enough, and get angry enough, that if he had the whole story, i think the outcome would be different. Which is what all of this really hinges on. Does Josh ever get the complete picture or does Kimmy succeed in forever keeping him in the dark?

L_S87

A lot of this is colored by us, as readers, knowing so much more than Josh, and having the outside understanding that his view on this is completely wrong and distorted. Views Kimmy knows she could correct, but chooses not to. For multiple reasons. I'm sure she's convinced herself that doing the right thing isn't doing the right thing in this case. I think she was trying to slow boil Josh before, but Devlin got tired of it, so he moved things along (into the boiling pot with zero prep, as CSH so adroitly stated). She's now taking a firmer, quicker approach to the slow boiling, while insisting she's "protecting" him while doing it. And i can't disagree that there is some emotional protection in her approach, but it's hard to give her any sort of praise given that this approach just so happens to give her everything her selfish heart wants. While lying to Josh about it. I'm sure she views those lies as protective of Josh's "dignity" (HA!) as he rather dumbly states it, but it's hard to see it as anything but evil manipulation given we know the whole back story of what she's hiding. And justifying it by saying Josh doesn't want to know, while he's sitting there saying tell me, is just awful. He only "doesn't want to know" everything because his assumption is that this is all his fault and he somehow has deluded himself into thinking that he should be happy for her love that he almost ruined. And Kimmy let's him think that, because it benefits her. She's heinous. Intriguing, lovely and yet rotten to the core.

Kat

Kimmy is definitely the most interesting character. Everything going forward hinges on her and her actions. You are right in saying that she is the one slowly boiling Josh.

Donkatsu

Great discussion. Question for the group and KT, if she wishes: Have we switched from Dante's Inferno to the Book of Revelation (Apokalypsis)? Do we need to figure out who's who here? The Beast, the seven-headed dragon, the serpent (the second coming?). One can boil a lot of frogs in the River Styx, just sayin'

CSH

My take on what she means by protecting Josh is that she’s going to ease Josh into it instead of just dropping it on him like Devlin. She’s the one trying to boil the frog (Josh) slowly, whereas Devlin just dumped him in the pot of boiling water. So, yeah, it’s only protection from her point of view not objectively. I agree that Kimmy is the real interesting character here, not Josh or Devlin, imo.

Mike Monroe

Kimmy is forever the skilled manipulator. The She Devil mixes some truth with a lot of lies. I was team Josh but now he is just a sad weak loser. I hoped he might have a back bone ...maybe a little one but it appears he just gonna accept the scraps of whatever Kimmy gives him. How could someone be good with the most trusted person in their life knowing they have totally betrayal them with the most hated person ever to have been in their life. The confession is right there as well as all the evidence of the deceit. Where is the anger... the rage ...just pitiful acceptance.

L_S87

While i have a great number of issues with Josh in this particular chapter, i do find Kimmy's portrayal intriguing. She went from a manipulative bitch who got caught with her hand in the cookie jar to a weeping, distraught mess, who basically was very contrite and willing to do anything for forgiveness. When that didn't really get the results she wanted, she (with Devlin's prodding) has gone back to manipulative mode, but with a clear tweak in that she's telling the "truth" instead of it being a game. Plus she's portraying herself as being uninterested in Devlin. I find her character dynamic, while detestable, rather interesting. Like you, i can't wait to see Kimmy's perspective of this and what sort of justifications and rationalizations she makes for this being how she's "protecting" Josh. There's still a number of unresolved issues on the board and we certainly haven't heard the last of Devlin (and i also presume Amy) on how they intend to impact this situation.

Kat

Josh really disappointed me in this chapter. He is so weak and sad. One minute he’s upset and telling Kimmy that she has to quit working for Devlin, and then the next minute he’s letting her gaslight him into submission. He always regrets it afterwards. He’s letting this kink take over his life. He asks himself where this fantasy ever came from. Does it even matter now, Josh? You know your wife has been cheating on you, and humiliating you behind your back with your worse enemy. What kind of relationship does he think can have with her going forward? Why does he still want to be with such a treacherous person? Kimmy, on the other hand, seems to have decided that she’s going to do whatever she wants. I don’t get what kind of comfort she’s getting from this wimpy man, who just accepts her ridiculous explanations. How can she say that she respects him? She didn’t even ask him how he knew about what happened at the docks in Hamilton. She’s not scared about losing him anymore. She knows she can just tell him some of the truth, her abbreviated version, and get a gold star for her honesty. She justifies this to herself, because Josh doesn’t really want to know all of it. As much as I dislike Devlin, they need to stop putting all the blame on him. Everyone here is making their own choices. I can’t wait for the next chapter! I want to hear Kimmy’s perspective

Tracey52

I don’t think I like where this is going, but I’m still fascinated. I’m starting to like Josh the least of all the characters, he seems so weak. Completely trapped/controlled by his kink and therefore Devlin and Kimmy. Kimmy isn’t going back to the old Kimmy, and I can’t blame her. Looks as though she’ll get to keep her cake and eat it too.

L_S87

Hmm. Even the "truth" is mixed with lies and omissions. I don't think she deserves any respect or congrats, but at least Kimmy finally found the strength to tell him a large portion of the "truth", even if it was for a day. No respect because she now has the confidence to say these things, but only because she knows these particular truths feed Josh's kink more than his pain and subsequent rejection of her. The other truths, though, the earlier ones? Not so much. Although, she did hint, and Josh picked up on it quickly, the implication that she has seen Devlin naked many times. It feels like there's a lot of convenient plot armor here, things being twisted for a specific outcome, but I'll withhold judgement as we still have a long ways to go, and a lot more "truth" to reveal before anything is settled.

Glaucon

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