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DITW 12-3: Interregnum

🕑 Added 2023-11-08 18:00:07 +0000 UTC

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Andrew Mellein

I think he wants a “hot wife” who humiliates him and fulfills him. He however doesn’t want a “hot wife” screwing his High School bully a man he can’t stand! So a happy ending for Josh would maybe be a “hot wife”lifestyle with Kimmy without Devlin in the picture. Of course Kimmy destroyed those plans with her infidelity with Devlin so I don’t this book will have a happy ending for Josh or Kimmy but I could be wrong.

Kat

Maybe it was an oversight by KT? Either way, I still believe that Kimmy is pregnant. It could just be Kimmy being so out of sorts knowing she’s losing control, so she loses control herself. I believe that she wants this baby, especially after the devastation of the miscarriage, if only as a way to keep Josh with her. As it stands right now, Hyun is the only one who knows she’s pregnant. It’s not like Josh is going to come home and find her drinking. He wouldn’t care.

Bill F Protagoras

I also admire the "As if."

Bill F Protagoras

Ah, Stevenson the master of binary discrimination... We are multitudes... an astute observation, however!

Tracey52

I’d noticed this from when she realised that she was pregnant that she had been drinking whiskey after being introduced to it by Devlin. Apparently she didn’t drink much before that. Of course she didn’t know she was pregnant then, but l worried that there may be blow back for kt for writing this. Drinking now that she knows she is pregnant takes it to another level. However, Other than with Hyun, who knows, if she stopped drinking now it would be a give away. Interesting to read how kt deals with this. It may end up being something else Josh has on her. I don’t believe it’s a phantom pregnancy, I’d feel cheated, and another miscarriage would be really harsh and not really serve a plot purpose. How Josh and Devlin deal with this knowledge may be what shows who has the real courage.

Kat

She wants to be a mother. She told Hyun she wanted the baby regardless of the paternity. I got the impression that she was going to use her pregnancy to make Josh stay with her. Now that she knows Josh knows the truth about her affair, she may be having second thoughts. The Josh from the last two chapters will definitely have doubts about the baby’s paternity. Kimmy’s drinking didn’t surprise me as much as Hyun not commenting on it. Kimmy is reckless. Hyun is careful.

Pete

That's a great observation! I wonder if that's a subtle tell that Kimmy doesn't want this baby. Might she abort it? Either as an expedient way to remove a "problem," or because she's changed, and no longer is the woman who once wanted to be a mother?

Pete

I find myself unclear as to what Josh truly wants. Does he want a faithful wife? Or does he want an unfaithful one who fulfills his fantasies? What does a happy ending for Josh look like?

Pete

I love how Josh thinks of Kimmy as Kimmy "Chang" rather than Waters, as he imagines her posing for Devlin's camera! As if Kimmy has two personas. It feels like a subtle reference to the classic gothic tale by Robert Louis Stevenson: The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Jekyll and Hyde (Waters and Chang). One a heroine, the other a villain. Two personalities living in one body.

Andrew Mellein

Your right! Maybe Kimmy's not pregnant but delusional! She still hasn't told Josh yet. Maybe the pregnancy is in her mind to try to keep Josh for all the shitty things she did!

Kat

I just reread this chapter, and realized that Kimmy is drinking wine in the apartment. She’s still pregnant, right? She tells Hyun she’s drinking, too. Hyun is the only one who knows she’s pregnant, but doesn’t say anything.

Bill F Protagoras

Being an egoist makes anything he professes about himself or others highly untrustworthy, he is a self-serving knave, and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch... Though none of us is perfect he is egregiously imperfect.

Bill F Protagoras

Yes, though clearly it is not meant literally... but metaphorically, or some other rhetorical device...

Donkatsu

And the old king is already dead or deposed.

Bill F Protagoras

Beginning to suspect that, one way or another, Sub Principatu Diaboli may be the way to go... After all you can't call it... "Evil, be thou my good; by thee at least Divided empire with Heaven's King I hold" just because I always think... Bring it on Milton! That's the way to justify the ways of God to Man... and who can tell if we should be preparing for paradise lost or regained... or maybe they'll just fall between the two stools. Milton, of course, was a follower of the chop off his head party...

Bill F Protagoras

Yup!

L_S87

That comment about Josh being conflicted, for me, is the most important point here. Not that other characters in other books haven't been, but not to this degree. It's almost a flip of a coin as to how Josh will react to a given situation, and he often contradicts himself from chapter to chapter, showing how emotionally unstable he is due to this situation that Kimmy has put him in. So while I can see a scenario where he just throws his hands in the air and gives up and asks for Kimmy to be with Devlin as a capitulation, I think it's not necessarily in keeping with the character that's been built over 11 books who regularly gets disturbed and angry at the thought of Kimmy being with Devlin. My opinions only, of course, and I've been wrong plenty, but the scenario I get here is that Josh is trying to create a situation where he gives Devlin enough rope to hang himself but it also means accepting a huge amount of risk in trusting Kimmy to "do the right thing" while not sharing any of his plans with her. I could easily see a situation where Josh hires this PI and gets a lot more than he bargained for, whether it's an accounting of past indiscretions between Kimmy and Devlin, things he doesn't really want to know, or a video of a desperate Kimmy trying to manipulate Devlin with sex to leave Josh alone. No matter what happens, I don't think it will be what Josh wants or plans, but he'll have to live with the consequences regardless.

Bill F Protagoras

Devlin does not think in terms of honesty or the need to justify himself... he is proud to be a slick operator... a trader in lies... who knows no doubts as he delivers wicked messages... and builds wooden horses to overthrow proud high walled cities through deception. To him his own satisfaction is guaranteed, and anything that doesn't go his way can be stricken from the ledger of his mind. For him having a conscience would be banal... HE deserves only the best... and delights in crushing losers in the dust beneath his chariot wheels. But in the end not even his granny could love him... He's the stub of an ancient once mighty statue in the dessert... and no matter how much undeserved wealth he accumulates he'll still just be a prick meriting no more sympathy than Eichmann in Jerusalem... Even Orson Wells couldn't bring a tear to my eye because when he was a kid he had a sled called Rosebud...

Tracey52

I learnt a new word! Suggest a new rule(r) is coming?

CSH

And from his point of view that makes him honest as he stays faithful to himself. Josh is the liar as he is the pretender.

Kat

@L_S87 That’s what I’ve thought, too. KT’s previous books lead to the feeling of it being an inevitable conclusion. This story is different than some of her others, mainly because it’s a cheating wife story. KT could surprise us. Josh is very conflicted, but at least he’s letting himself question things without the influence of his wife/tormentor. He also really hates Devlin. Being humiliated alone by Kimmy is one thing, but seeing both of them together in person might destroy him. I’m also looking forward to the return of Summer Swap. It stopped right at the good part! Lol

Andrew Mellein

We still don’t know why Kimmy wants to keep working for Devlin? Even when Josh begged her to quit. She claims to have a plan but we don’t know what it is. Like the other commentators mentioned I think Josh is going to use the P.I. to go after Devlin and his business in the Caymens. Maybe the P.I. will uncover illegal activities, money laundering and close coordination with Reza from Landlord🤣🤣 One can dream of the KT verse!

L_S87

I think most people see it as inevitable because when you remove the characters and the story from the equation and look more broadly at KTs works, her MO would be to find some way to make that happen because that's the way her books usually go. Yes, that ends up feeling somewhat cynical and predictable, that it's a foregone conclusion, but it makes sense. That doesn't mean how it happens is a foregone conclusion, or that the aftermath would be predictable either. Like you, I've never felt it was a shoe in that Josh wanted this, or was even willing to accept it because so much of his desires are wrapped in games and the hypothetical. He has always gotten very bent out of shape with Kimmy the instant it becomes close to reality. The one exception being their last time together discussing what happened at the hotel. He still got angry, but ended up being coerced into acceptance. Josh has a ton of contradictions. He's probably the most complicated person in this story. Knowing that, I've never seen it as obvious that he would definitely want or let Kimmy and Devlin having sex in front of him happen. All that said, the end of this chapter does seem to hint at that. But, it could hint at something else too, because the way it was worded, it's so vague you could interpret any number of scenarios on Josh's cryptic internal musings. KT has a plan, we'll see what that is soon enough. I know I'm going to loath what happens to Josh, but still can't wait to read it. If nothing else, Summer Swap will lighten the mood after this dark disaster.

Bill F Protagoras

As Pontius Pilate so pithily put it... What is truth? How would Devlin know it? From what we've seen, he is one thick agenda... an egoist.

Kat

I never thought that it was inevitable for Josh to watch Devlin and Kimmy together. Right now Kimmy loathes Devlin more than ever, and it would take her wanting to be with him to make it happen. Josh shows a lot of clarity in his thoughts in this chapter. He seems to have had enough of being everyone’s victim. I believe him when he says he’s done with it. He also seems to see that the life he had with Kimmy before is done. But we also see that he still has so much guilt, as well as that monkey on his back. He can’t help compulsively thinking about Devlin and Kimmy and it turns him on. I do see, after reading this, a path where Josh asks for it to get it out of his system, to make it true. He’s being tormented by sexual thoughts about Kimmy and Devlin. I can see him giving in to it, and hating himself afterwards. And, of course, Devlin is not done with the Waters. He’s going to need his last hurrah. As you said L_S87, something is building up here, and there’s going to be an unhappy collision. Kimmy is likely to get more desperate for Josh. I can see her hooking up with Hyun again, just to stave off her feelings of abandonment and loneliness. I really liked this chapter, and feel that we’re getting to a point where there’s going to be some definite resolution soon.

Donkatsu

KT does her homework. In the Keely books she mastered the geography of Cambridge MA around HLS. She learned about mining technology in Happy Endings. She cares about the details: In an earlier work she was distraught over a minor error (2-1-2 vs. 1-2-1) in the Delta One cabin for their B777-200LR service between Atlanta and Johannesburg.

L_S87

Yeah, all three of them have different agendas. Kimmy and Josh should be aligned, but they aren't, for obvious reasons. That leaves a pretty large gap for Devlin to exploit. I could easily see Kimmy or Josh setting up something that ends in disaster due to their lack of communication. Whatever Josh has cooked up won't end the way he thinks it will and Kimmy's desperation is going to cause issues.

Tracey52

I’m worrying about Josh again. Whatever he is going to do probably won’t end well for him. He is outmatched by Devlin and Kimmy.

Tracey52

I think that Josh will have to watch Devlin and Kimmy together. It’s inevitable, but how it plays out and the aftermath is what this story will be classified as.

Bill F Protagoras

"Interregnum"... so provocative!

CSH

Don’t forget Josh had a conversation with Devlin that we know little about yet. I think Josh knows he will have to go through with it and let Kimmy fuck Devlin. He’s practically dying for it. I suspect he is also trying to find some dirt on Devlin. That’s likely going to be in Cayman or something showing Devlin plans to stab his old man in the back somehow. I loved this part where Kimmy thinks on Devlin deceiving poor Josh and how she needs to save him - “That fucking slick bastard, that wretched betrayer, would love to fill Josh’s innocent head with all sorts of villainous prompts. And without her to temper them, Josh would be wounded. Devlin would injure Josh” - yeah he might actually tell him the truth. Is that a hilarious example of lack of self awareness or what? So real and so shameless. It’s brilliant.

Bill F Protagoras

So, Josh is screwing himself to the sticking place, hopefully not murder... and both he and Kimmy are contemplating and focussing on her condescension towards him... and Josh is getting aroused by the thought of her mating with another man... which is an evolutionary advantage readying him to compete, ironically, in her impregnation... and unlike gods you don't have to believe in evolution for it to work... and feeling you're a degenerate will not free you from its power to make you revel in passionate rutting... and the mess it makes... It's the best of worlds, it's the worst of worlds.

L_S87

Almost forgot the most important question! KT, how do you know Forza Motorsport and Catalunya? Tough track! 10-15 is a difficult section to get right on a consistent basis.

L_S87

All good points. Those last two paragraphs from Josh confuse me as I'm not 100% sure what KT was trying to convey. Your idea of watching Kimmy and Devlin does seem to fit, and yet he's also talking about not being a victim and you can't be much more victimized than watching someone you hate have sex with someone you love. Plus, none of this seems to touch on Josh saying he needs space from Kimmy, although that could be because he wants this to be his plan, his decision, rather than just being bullied into whatever Kimmy decides. The one thing I do get from those last few paragraphs is that it feels like Josh has given up. Not so much in the watching Kimmy and Devlin thing that everyone talks about, but just life and his relationship in general. Everything he speaks of is in past tense, as if it's a forgone conclusion that his marriage is destroyed and he'll be looking back at the pieces to pick out what little good there is because there won't be any moving forward. That's sort of contradictory to his last statements of not letting Devlin win, that leaving is cowardly, so I'm interested to see how KT ties this all together. One thing is sure, you are spot on, Kat, with how mercurial Kimmy is. The first of this chapter makes it crystal clear how much she needs Josh for her sanity. Her twisted version of love leaves her bereft without him, and yet with him she's incapable of being the type to nurture that love, rather she's a vampiric parasite, sucking everything good out of their marriage as fuel to power her taboo adventures. Without them on the same page, at some point their competing priorities are going to collide. The trainwreck Devlin is waiting for while rubbing his hands gleefully.

Kat

“The only way out was through. It was only once he was through that he could look back and see where he was. See who he was. Who he’d been. And in that cold and unforgiving illumination, he might discover whatever good existed that had been spoiled.” I read this passage as Josh having to inevitably watch Devlin and Kimmy together. Seeing what he’s been lusting after in the literal flesh. Once he sees it’s real he can move on? I know it’s the easy path, but I think it sounds like Josh is going hire a PI to follow Devlin and Kimmy, and get pictures, etc. I don’t know, it’s might be a possibility? Josh is adamant in not being Devlin’s victim anymore, so the PI might also be to spy on Devlin’s business, find something to take him down? If the business is gone, then Kimmy can’t work for him anymore either. If anyone is going to do anything violent to Devlin it sounds like it might be done by Kimmy. Her hatred for him is even greater now that Josh has left her. She’s referring to him as a “wretched betrayer.” What I don’t get with Kimmy is that she portrays herself to be so tough, so cold and calculating, but she can’t handle being alone in her apartment for a day. I know she’s worried about what Devlin might be telling him, but if Josh’s comfort was that important to her then why the hell is she screwing around on him every chance she gets? I know, she has no self control, and the thing with Hyun was a terrible mistake, but she went from mean and scary in the parking lot the night before, to crumbling in pieces on her couch the next night. When they’re together she’s tormenting him. When he’s gone she’s falling apart. Just some thoughts. So far Book 12, has been amazing. It’s so well written, the thoughts, the dialogue, etc.

Andrew Mellein

I felt Josh finally took two big steps foward last chapter. But this chapter he took a step back! He should have been truthful with Meyer about Kimmy and his POV showed he loved to be debased and humiliated by Kimmy. Would he accept Kimmy with Devlin while he watched? I cant wait till Devlin shows up and things get good!

L_S87

Indeed, a great surprise, with all sorts of unexpected potential. Kimmy is adrift and needs Hyun to bail her out. Josh has a plan, apparently. God only knows how disastrous that will be, but it appears to involve a PI. I wonder if he plans on finding some dirt on Devlin as a way to divest him from his current position? With Devlin no longer Kimmy's boss, the temptation goes away? Or the supposed temptation. I'm afraid what Josh is going to get instead is a heaping helping of the truth he doesn't want. He thinks if he can get rid of Devlin, it will solve the breach that has developed between he and Kimmy, but I'm afraid the exact opposite is going to happen. We'll see. I hope he's not lying to Meyer and is going to spy on Kimmy. That might help in a different way, short term, but would wreck his relationship with Meyer long term with few benefits. Can't wait to find out!

Kat

Omg, you’re the best, KT! What an amazing lunch time surprise! 🎉


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