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DITW 12-4: Verglas

🕑 Added 2023-11-11 15:00:07 +0000 UTC

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Bill F Protagoras

... CONTROL.

Bill F Protagoras

like a bacchante hungry for flesh... because Josh is afraid he will lose her... or already has. Lets not forget fear is contagious... so maybe this is why Kimmy is trying so hard to convince herself she is strong. Also she may be overestimating how much Devlin needs... or even wants her... and she may have an inkling that the clock is ticking on her Dionysian endorphin charged dalliance with Devlin! In fact, her feral orgiastic writhing on the boss's totem pole seemed to signify loss of

Bill F Protagoras

Many fine insights... still I think you... like most give too much credit for her ability to control Josh... she is a good manipulator, but manipulation is the antithesis of control. Josh has been controlling himself through his habit of giving the woman he loves the benefit of the doubt even though he has had enough evidence to convince him that that very same woman is rutting with her/ his demon lover

L_S87

It's funny because you never really see that through most of the series because Kimmy was in pole position. She controlled everything as it relates to Josh. We got a glimpse of it in her desperation when she went to Rome to chase Josh down, but it was never this poignant because Josh gave in rather quickly. Now we've had a weeks worth of him standing firm (on the outside at least) and Kimmy is so brittle emotionally that she's a hairs beadth from falling apart. To the point that mirroring Josh's obsessive behaviors seem logical, or at least close enough that she can easily talk herself into it. This chapter shows just how badly she needs, not wants, but needs him. For different reasons than Josh needs her, but you've done an amazing job of taking two sides of the same coin. Different faces, but the same unhealthy obsession underneath. Makes you wonder why she cheated in the first place, given her current reactions, but we all know everyone takes what they think they'll have forever for granted. Kimmy thought she could punish Josh with her fling for not giving her the child she wanted... Now she realizes the child she actually might have means so much less if she doesn't have him to share it with. Thus her near fanatical obsession with finding him and bringing him back.

KT Morrison

And, of course, Dudley Do-Right for the Canadians! https://youtu.be/FXrj-96tz6k?si=ULjqLg99FsvJSekt

KT Morrison

It wasn't a mistake, but on reflection I see it too easily construed as a mistake. I thought I should clarify (ambiguously, of course). Is it: Without Josh, there would be no life? Or is it: I would endanger all around me to bring him back? Josh, after all, appears as a savior at times...

KT Morrison

I didn't know it, and I love to hear it! This is the kind of philosophy that races the heart.

Bill F Protagoras

To be honest I'm conflicted.

Bill F Protagoras

Maybe it's Kimmy's recent icy coldness towards Devlin...like a thin layer of ice on a rock prone to brittleness and melting... some sort of wicked menacing metaphor KT has planted... so she can proceed to disturb and rouse up simple innocent souls like me... God forfend

Bill F Protagoras

To be honest I'm conflicted.

Bill F Protagoras

Or maybe it's Kimmy's recent icy coldness toward Devlin... thin and brittle like ice over rock, and prone to melt... the sort of thing a wicked author might plant to disturb the sensitive and innocent soul of a reader... a menacing ellipsis... to be filled with all sorts of treacherous filthy high jinx... God forfend!

Tracey52

Verglas-a thin coating of ice or frozen rain on an exposed surface. Do we think this pertains to the thin coating separating Josh from the truth, or something else?

Bill F Protagoras

I just investigated and discovered that Heraclitus, one of my favourite presocratics, said that "character is for a man his daimon" and Kimmy has plenty of character, but the treacherous slug Plato seems to equate the daimon as a sort of proto soul, which also increases the irony of Josh's assertion that Kimmy was his demon... I thought it might interest you, KT, if you don't already know it.

Tracey52

You know it is possible that KT resolved this issue after the comments following the previous chapter?

Bill F Protagoras

Things usually get worse before they get better... and often as not they don't get better. That's when stoicism comes in handy...

Tracey52

The drinking issue was no error, but I’m not sure what the dark truth means? Probably like you said, she fears or believes it’s Devlin’s and shows her hate to Devlin by mistreating his unborn child. If true, that’s really dark.

Andrew Mellein

I always thought there would be an eventual threesome reunion between Devlin, Amy, and Kimmy. At this point bad Kimmy would go for it! The good Kimmy no longer exists if she truly ever did!

L_S87

Oh, wow. That would be awesome! Also bad, because I feel like Kimmy would get ultra competitive in a heart beat, even though she knows she shouldn't, even though she hates Devlin, I still think she'd go there. Love this idea!

Andrew Mellein

The wine issue was resolved and it wasn't a mistake on KT's part! Kimmy gives no shits about her future child! Almost like she wants a miscarriage. It also finally heavily implies what many debated that the child is Devlin's. I think Josh wants Kimmy to be a bad "hotwife" but someone they can both confide in and be truthful with. But Kimmy has already broken that trust and with a man Josh hates! I hope we dont get a scene where Josh is enjoying Kimmy doing the deed with Devlin! I dont think it would be realistic after all the torment Devlin put him through over the years! But will there be a scene of Kimmy with Devlin while Josh watches but not happy about. Its possible! So we will see where the characters go!

Bill F Protagoras

Thanks... I think! Just joshing ...

L_S87

Its interesting to see how utterly conflicted both of them are, if for wildly different reasons, both brought on by this sordid scenario they've created. I feel like Josh is waiting for a sign, a reason to capitulate and go back to Kimmy, but with some assurance that things will be different. Not *too* different. He still wants her to be that demon Meyer speaks of, but a more measured one. A demon he can trust. Which is the biggest issue here. He needs her love, craves her domination, but not the crazy levels of torture she has inflicted in the past. He needs moderation. Something Kimmy can't provide. She just doesn't have it in her. That final scene shows it, because she *knows* she shouldn't go see Devlin, but she will. And I'm pretty sure it's not going to end well, because Devlin will find a way to draw Josh into it and torment him with it. Because Josh hates the lies Kimmy tells, but he hates the fact they are with Devlin even more.

Bill F Protagoras

At last you take the dropper squeezing out the murky maternal drop into the waters, is it a sinister ingredient, or a mysterious catalyst? Maybe I should consult Lamont Cranston or Oedipa Maas? What vulpine truth would Kimmy want to keep at bay... even from herself? Anyone's thumbs pricking? It never rains but it pours...

Glaucon

Kimmy walking in on Amy and Devlin together in the apartment?

Donkatsu

Thanks, KT, even better than Saturday morning cartoons! Possibly, but only possibly, excluding Rocky and Bullwinkle. What can happen that will disabuse Josh of his misperception of his own importance in Kimmy's behavior? Is there anything short of thermonuclear annihilation of his psyche that will work? He needs to find an equilibrium or he will be destroyed. Kimmy is not helping. She views the situation in a utilitarian manner - what does she need to say to keep him on the reservation, not what is best for Josh and for them as a couple. And what is behind Door 2?

Andrew Mellein

I am excited and also dreading the next chapter! I thought Josh needed space from Kimmy? He can’t help himself🤣🤣Do readers think we will be getting the Kimmy, Devlin hook up with Josh watching in the next couple of chapters or not? It’s getting good 👍

Andrew Mellein

Thanks KT! Nice way to start the morning!


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