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DITW 12-6: Epimetheus

🕑 Added 2023-11-16 00:00:04 +0000 UTC

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Kat

@Andrew I could see him forcing Kimmy to do it, just because it hurts him, and it might hurt her, too. He seems to want to push her. He’s angry and hurt. I know he hates Devlin, but he still blames a lot of this on himself, so it’s a way to punish himself, as well. Maybe it won’t happen. Maybe something worse will happen. I don’t know, it just seems to all be leading up to this. This was such a good chapter!

Andrew Mellein

So Josh’s endgame is for Kimmy and Devlin to have sex to see if he can stomach it? Is it to see if she cheated or if she was faithful? Or is it to see if he likes being a cuckold? I’m just a little confused because he hates Devlin. I do think he went to Devlin’s and he probably know more now than Kimmy thinks he knows about her affair with Devlin. I also think he arranged this surprise with Devlin and Devlin might be popping in next chapter! I hope the next chapter comes sooner rather than later! I’m excited!!!

Tracey52

Epimetheus god of afterthought and excuses. Aptly named chapter.

Kat

It all depends on who Hyun gets her information from. If it’s from Kimmy, of course she’s going to side with her, and do whatever she wants. If the info comes from Meyer, and it’s the real story, I think she’s going to be devastated and very ashamed, and cut Kimmy out of her life, if only for the sake of her daughter. She wouldn’t want anyone to know what she and Kimmy have done together. I doubt she’d get any info from Josh. He has no reason to tell her anything. If she finds out about Kimmy having sex again with Devlin she’ll be so hurt and upset. Hyun is in love with Kimmy. That’s why she’s so compliant with her. If everything lines up, Kimmy should be alone at the end with her baby, having burned every bridge, which is quite sad. I still can’t hate her, though. Lol

Kat

I’ve read this chapter over several times. It’s so good. What a shocker having Josh show up right there and confront Kimmy! You can feel the tension burning between the two characters. My stomach is in knots imagining what’s going to happen, and how these characters will react. KT is incredible in writing her characters with full fledged personalities and emotions. It makes the dialogue so much more meaningful. I’m leaning towards Kimmy and Devlin “performing” at the request of Josh. Obviously, there’s no meeting that’s going to happen. Devlin arranged this for Josh. At the end of Chapter 3, Josh says this to himself: The only way out was through. It was only once he was through that he could look back and see where he was. See who he was. Who he’d been. And in that cold and unforgiving illumination, he might discover whatever good existed that had been spoiled. I read that now as Josh needing to see his nightmare and dream happen right before his eyes. He’s so tortured by what he knows Kimmy has done, because he likes it and he hates himself for liking it. He needs to see it, and then see if he can live with the truth. He seems sick and tired of being manipulated and controlled, by both Kimmy and Devlin. I don’t know if he’ll be able to convince Kimmy to do it. Devlin would surely gleefully torment him throughout. I think it’s going to destroy Kimmy and Josh for good, especially when she tells him she’s pregnant. Josh is going to know 100% that the baby is not his.

L_S87

I wonder what Hyun will think of this once it's done. And how Kimmy will manipulate her retelling of it so that she garners Hyun's support and sympathy. On the face of it, Hyun would probably feel Kimmy is being treated unfairly, no manipulation needed. Although if Kimmy does have sex with Devlin, that would change things given Hyun's vehement dislike of the man. I wonder because I could see a scenario where Kimmy pleads for Hyun's support while telling her sanitized version of the story and Hyun, because she loves Kimmy, confronting Josh in anger for mistreating Kimmy. Not typical of Hyun, but neither is buying a strap on in a sex toy shop while giggling. Such is Kimmy's corruptive influence. Wouldn't that be quite the conversation?

Bill F Protagoras

Just tried to find it... but gave up... It was only about a paragraph long and you seemed to burn a bridge for a resolution that you could now be using... it was cleverly done... but I don't like doing spoilers... Just yesterday I began to read DITW yet again... if, or when I find the reference, I'll give you a discrete update... don't hold your breath in case it was just a lucid dream... It will be embarrassing if I turn out to be an unreliable narrator!

Wayne

During their interlude, Limmy takes the opportunity to humiliate Josh, and in a moment of wicked passion, she lets it slip she is probably carrying Devlin's baby.

Wayne

Maybe, just maybe, Devlin shows up, catching Josh and Kimmy together. Devlin manipulates them and they, (Devlin and Kimmy) finally have sex in front of Josh.

KT Morrison

Hmm, it escapes me. Sometimes I do things like that without thinking, but I reread it and don't see it. An accident perhaps!

KT Morrison

Thank you!

KT Morrison

Ah, thank you kindly!—fixed in the manuscript now.

KT Morrison

Haha!

Donkatsu

The turnabout was great. KImmy's shock was total: She frowned and shook her head, tried to answer a few times, but no words came. Then: “You’re manipulating me. You’re pushing me around and twisting my words.” “It’s not too much fun, is it?” Devlin always gets a vote, and he is likely to have used whatever he has learned from both Kimmy and Josh over the last couple of days to further his longer term goals - keep Kimmy, subjugate and torment Josh. In hindsight, there was certainly that homoerotic element between Devlin and Josh (thanks Glaucon), but I do not think it is going anywhere. The race against time to our thrilling finale involves (1) Josh realizing and admitting to himself that Kimmy has been lying, cheating, and gaslighting him for quite a while. He is not quite there yet; (2) Josh must acknowledge that Kimmy's affair with Devlin and her carrying on and lying are not really his fault, Kimmy started it before Josh had any say in the matter; (3) Devlin and Josh finding out that Kimmy is pregnant and who the father is; (4) the return of Amy - not sure what her role will be but she needs to be heard from again; and, finally (5) whatever spanner Devlin manages to throw into the works..

Bill F Protagoras

There are all sorts of nooks and crannies throughout the extensive reaches of this epic tale, where the author may've tucked away startling information, or even a suitcase sized nuclear device... that's what keeps us all on our toes. There's even a cleverly worded ironic reference to another author's book... If my memory serves me well...

Andrew Mellein

KT you hit this chapter out of the park! I wish it was longer. Any confrontation between Josh and Kimmy is gold! I wonder when Devlin shows up at hotel it will totally catch Kimmy in her lies and her house of cards will come tumbling down! Now the wait for the next chapter!! Can’t wait!

Tracey52

Josh’s cheeks puffed out, and he stepped away, turned and face into the bedroom suite, looking at the bed, unbuttoning his jacket and putting his hands on his hips. ?typo face or faced

Bill F Protagoras

Oh... I laughed out loud when Josh said he'd taken a mental health day... this is the Josh I've always imagined he was hiding in daylight...

Tracey52

Great build up. Can’t wait for Devlin to arrive. So what did Josh do last night? He has at least spoken to Devlin because he is in the hotel room. May not have stayed at Devlin’s. Kt is good at misdirection. Sophie could have slept on the couch. It was fairly late when Hyun rang. We can assume we know what Kimmy did but will we get a flashback? Josh has decided what he wants but can he see it through? I think he will ask Kimmy to have sex with Devlin in front of him so he can decide if he can take it and they’ll stay together or whether they break up. That’s when the baby card will be played.

Bill F Protagoras

You are totally hitting the nail on the head Glaucon... after all Devlin's first diabolical trick in the book was to get Josh to grasp his rampant, or stony smooth member. Sorry, I'm new so haven't caught up on all posts...

Bill F Protagoras

Kimmy is really strongly resisting fessing up, ain't she? I didn't want to blab, but all the shopping, cuisine, and general spending kind of reminded me of all the detailed description of the expensive furnishings before the trial by cuckoldry in "Trial Separation"... but now I can only wonder... what have we here?

Bill F Protagoras

So which of them is the afterthought, or to be more incisive which is the god of excuses. Kimmy could quite easily be Pandora with all her largesse and her high fashion majesty... KT is she going to seal hope back up in her jar... or, as we more vulgarly call it nowadays, her box. I feel all tingley.

L_S87

I feel like Kimmy is now in a dammed if you do and damned if you don't scenario. We have no idea what Josh and Devlin have discussed or what the "plan" is, because there obviously is one. Or at least a plan that was discussed before Devlin likely drives it off the rails by deviating to his own script. Anyway, I say Kimmy is in a catch 22 because if she sticks to her current adamant stance that she's done with Devlin, she walks out and has to convince Josh to come with her. Worse, she has to convince him she's doing that because she's not interested, rather than simply putting on a show of disinterest because Josh is there. Which is exactly what Josh would assume. After all, she was naked in that same room not too long ago, with Devlin. So Kimmy walks, Josh thinks she's lying to save their marriage, she loses. Or, she lets Josh and Devlin pressure her into having sex again. She loves it, because we know she will, Josh is entranced but emotionally devastated. He'll hate it but also get off on it. Once it's over, he'll be over it. And potentially Kimmy too. That last bit I think largely hinges on Devlin. If he just rails her until she's a puddle and then leaves them alone... maybe they find a way to survive. But that isn't Devlin. I'm pretty sure he's going to find a way to flip the script in a way that will break Josh. But I don't think he'll break the way Devlin thinks he will. If that happens, it's all going to fly apart. Hell, even if Devlin acts like a gentleman (HA!), once Josh finds out about the pregnancy, he's going to make assumptions, and no amount of lying from Kimmy is going to fix it.

KT Morrison

I’ve got you covered, Glaucon

KT Morrison

https://youtu.be/6-1Ue0FFrHY?si=dvB-9h8UWIpJpMUO

L_S87

Not typically my cup of tea, but that would be absolutely hilarious. Kimmy's reaction would be one for the ages.

Kat

This chapter was amazing. What do you think is going to happen? Obviously, Devlin’s going to show up. Do you think Devlin tells her that Josh knows everything, and then proceeds to get into detailed descriptions in front of Josh, while Kimmy loses her shit? Do you think Josh will force Kimmy to have sex with Devlin right there in front of him? Do you really think she’s going to lose him? He seems pretty damn pissed right now. This is the strongest he’s been throughout this entire book. I wish this chapter was longer! I can’t wait. Ugh.

Glaucon

Listen, here's the only true path to reclaimed dignity for Josh: Devlin shows up and the two of them make sweet sweet love in front of Kimmy, leaving her completely out in the cold. This is where I would post Long Long Man again, but I'm limiting myself to once a year.

L_S87

Wow. What a setup, KT! Awesome doesn't begin to describe this. Also... punished for no good reason? Really Kimmy?? He wasn't trying to punish you, but even if he was, he had very good reason, and you just admitted why. What a mess this is, Josh still thinking it's all his fault and Kimmy admitting a smidge of truth but still twisting her words, and Josh's psyche, every time she opens her mouth. Although Josh is doing a shit load of twisting of his own this go round. The saddest part of all of this. 95% of what Kimmy said here was true. She did think of nothing but him, right until she thought she had no reason to worry, anyway. She does love him obsessively, the way she's acted puts truth to her words of how important he is now that she's on the precipice of losing him. What a mess the two of them have created here... and Devlin is going to walk through that door and I have a feel a stick of dynamite would be less explosive then what we're going to witness.

Kat

Love this chapter! Josh is finally standing up to her. When’s Devlin arriving? Kimmy may actually have to expose herself, literally.


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