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DITW 14-25: Odyssey 20

🕑 Added 2024-07-10 16:59:44 +0000 UTC

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Bill F Protagoras

Honi soit qui mal y pense!

Bill F Protagoras

'I'm the one who's going away' seems a pretty obvious euphemism to me... accompanied by tears, not crocodile in nature. It's not a stretch to ask for how long, or necessary to speculate Kimmy's departure may not be voluntary, or a petty ploy in a mind game. When it's her turn to play the tiny bird, ruddy breasted from the brutal mauling hands of authorities' abusive retribution. All in a rage. State or moneyed squirearchy! Time to pay the paternal pipelayer... But no, lets go for the easy mark... a woman about to be taken in adultery again... hoist by her own petard... getting what she deserves... I think not! I'd much rather she were a hammer than a nail!

Bill F Protagoras

By the by, KT, amusing that A.Berg should be counsel to Stones. Topography turned upside down. A distinction making a difference.

Bill F Protagoras

I am sad... to see my anti-heroine so cowed and abated... and her breaking heart unenthusiastically unreciprocated... the poker face chiefly serves to buttress constructions of defeat or victory... we must grope around in the tenuous light of dusk when called upon to surrender... to be allowed our indignity... in defeat...

Bill F Protagoras

"Nice, nice! Very nice!" The Books of Bokonon. "So many different people In the same device!"

Bill F Protagoras

Maybe... or maybe litotes used as a beggarly device for reassurance... or, of course, there's always the economy size both. I'm possibly just being perverse, but I find this side of Josh a bit distasteful and evasive... 'His' decision, not 'her' offense. Snubbing her when he surely senses blood in the water.

Bill F Protagoras

Some very good points, JL. I like how the rhythm of Kimmy's 'ifs' underlines the 'contingent' nature of her strength and competence in your opening remarks.

JL23

Despite being chastened and embarrassed by her actions, there is a still a part of Kimmy that is infected with the “ifs.” If only she had more time, if only she could have convinced Josh to accept being a cuckold on her terms, if only Devlin hadn’t meddled with her manipulation of Josh. If, if, if. Even though she says she regrets her actions, there is still a part of her that believes her plan would have worked if she had been left to enact it. The one thing I still don’t understand is how she ever thought she could get away with stealing the money. Sometimes she admits she kind of knew she’d get caught, but I really think deep down she thought she’d get away with it, cause Devlin wasn’t paying attention. If the goal was ultimately not about the sex and power she felt being with Devlin, but about setting her and Josh up financially, there were better ways to do that. So while she’s not completely wrong that Josh gets turned on by her being with a “better” man, he’s also not wrong that Kimmy wasn’t involved with Devlin for Josh, or for setting them up financially. She was involved with him cause of lust and the rush of power she felt.

Bill F Protagoras

Sorry to be a spoil sport, KT!

Bill F Protagoras

Reading should never be an act of aggression!

Bill F Protagoras

“Because I’m the one who’s leaving.” Are readers the only animals that repeatedly stumble over the same stone? I despair! Where the fuck's that river I used to drown my sorrows in?

Bill F Protagoras

Not too keen on decisive, intolerant, judgemental Josh. The trappings of respect we show others are not weakness... rather the kind of strength which Kimmy's own flaws rendered her blind to.

Bill F Protagoras

"They’d had to call an ambulance, and he’d even had to fly by helicopter to Peterborough." Not a mistake but a humble suggestion that "and he’d even had 'to be flown' by helicopter to Peterborough" would further emphasize Josh's lack of agency...

Bill F Protagoras

"by saying basically you can’t leave me because I’m leaving you." I may be wrong, Tracey, but KT does love to bait a hook!

Bill F Protagoras

Have I ever mentioned what a fucking consummate essential ARTisan, you are? A cornucopia of literary delights... and I ain't kidding! "Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard are sweeter." You drive me to hyperbole!

Bill F Protagoras

An expertly framing opening paragraph, the substance and efficacy of which only serves to increase and sustain all that follows its unpretentious grace...

Bill F Protagoras

" up to petty no-good." Is some form of theft perhaps nudging Kimmy in the ribs? All your work is distinguished by your diabolic details, KT!

Bill F Protagoras

"Go tell the Spartans, you who read: We took their orders, and here lie dead." Reticence is a dying art.

Bill F Protagoras

If you love someone set them free rings out with all the muffled dishonesty of sentimental persiflage to me... 'It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known.' Great writer though Dickens is his frequently Victorian sugar coated shallowness lacks the mettle or irony necessary, and the unavoidable unostentatious resignation that self sacrifice deserves. If anything should be matter of fact and honoured by silence it is sacrifice... I think Kimmy, good or bad, is not one for the empty gesture... she works within constraints. Gutta cavat lapidem! Illegitimi non carborundum!

Bill F Protagoras

Any month is a cruel month to begin a pilgrimage...

Bill F Protagoras

As Steve Mc suggests pragmatism seems de rigeur.

Bill F Protagoras

Although Excited might not be my mot juste, Kat!

Bill F Protagoras

I am glad as ever to be your punch bag, KT, even when you dish out your hardest blows with all the grace that you command.

Bill F Protagoras

“Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.”

Bill F Protagoras

Personally, after what may have been Kimmy's pyrrhic victory in the liars' den the piteous pitiless odour of melancholy haunts my absent mind... Didn't Save, Kat!

Bill F Protagoras

The Waters are each wrestling with their own angel of angst at the foot of a Jacobean ladder out of a steep sided pit... learning the slippery nature of truth and expression... the inflationary nature of the currency of secrets guarded too long in the vault of selfdom... "Beware the dog that's friend to man for with his nail's he'll dig you up again!"

Pete

"He turned you on. He’s everything I’m not, and I’m not enough for you.” “You want that to be true.” “What?” He laughed at how ridiculous her statement was. “Who would want that to be true?” “You do. You want to think it because it turned you on.” Interesting exchange this chapter closes on. I don't think Kimmy's wrong: Josh fetishizing inferiority? It fits.

Pete

Agreed. Kimmy may not feel worthy of him anymore. She may also feel like he no longer loves her, and the best thing she can do is make it easy for him to let her go, and protect him.

Kat

It does ALWAYS end in a place where I’m dying for more. I’m looking forward to reading this volume of the book in full when it’s completed.

Andrew Mellein

Yes. What you both said. She doesn't want to hurt Josh anymore and she realizes what she did to him. She is essentially setting him free.

Tracey52

Despite all this, I still feel Kimmy was trying to manipulate Josh by the way she was still casting blame on him and one upped him by saying basically you can’t leave me because I’m leaving you. Great chapter but disappointed we didn’t get the whole conversation.

JL23

I do think part of her leaving is because she's still convinced Josh jumped in the water, and that she needs to get away from him for his own mental well being. Her conversation with Berg seems to have left her with the distinct belief that Josh would be better off without her. At least that's my read on it.

JL23

I think it comes with reading things chapter to chapter. It always ends in a place where you need to know more. Then, when you get the next chapter, you're excited to start...then it ends in a place where you need to know more.

Kat

Yep, I can see that, too. I also don’t see that relationship lasting too long either. Hyun won’t be open, and Kimmy won’t be able to sleep on her couch forever. Sophie will see something and blow it all up.

Kat

Andrew, I feel the exact same way. I read every chapter so slowly, and am sad when it’s done. Lol Only KT can write this well.

Kat

KT, this was an amazing chapter. It is like Kimmy had joined a cult, and is now deprogrammed. You showed her true feelings in the last few chapters, She’s been coming out of a fog from the summer. She lived her wildest life, fulfilled fantasies she never knew that she had. She went from a deep depression over losing their baby, to becoming a person solely devoted to her own pleasure no matter who it hurt or incited. She fucked Devlin, tormented Josh, used Hyun and stole so much money from Stone. She now finds herself pregnant, still not truly knowing who the father is, and with the real possibility of disbarment and jail. I wonder why she’s leaving and where she’s going? Is she leaving for jail because she confessed all her financial crimes to Aaron Berg and Stone Sr.? Is she leaving for Hyun, because she can’t subject Josh to anything more and needs someone to pity and baby her? Is her love for Josh really that great that she’s afraid if Josh knows everything he’ll try and kill himself again? I’m leaning on the third option. I’ve seen a different Kimmy in these last few chapters. Josh’s near death experience woke her up, and truly affected her. She’s come out of her fog of lust and greed and realized she really has nothing to call her own but Josh. But, she’s pushed Josh so far, hurt him so badly, gaslit him so much that he nearly died. Kimmy really does have a conscious, and her conscious is telling her to go, and leave Josh so he can start again and be happy. Kimmy knows her future does not hold much happiness, so she’s getting out while she can, the only way she knows how. I don’t know, I’m probably wrong, but I really see Kimmy showing some goodness inside, FINALLY. KT, I loved this chapter. I’m going to be so sad when this book is over.

Andrew Mellein

Every chapter that KT writes I savor like fine wine. That when I am done I get bummed that it's over (LOL!) She is the best in the business.

Andrew Mellein

Yes I think he's the lawyer. I almost got him confused with Devlin's friend.

Andrew Mellein

I think this chapter highlights that there is a real bridge between Kimmy and Josh that I think isn't easily put together. While I think Kimmy stealing that money is a motivational force with her deciding to bail. I think Josh has no love for Kimmy at the moment especially when he is the center of attention with all his co-workers and Kimmy sees that. I actually think a long separation might heal their wounds and maybe if they want to try again they should. I want a HEA with Kimmy and Josh especially after everything that has happened. Also Kimmy has to remember that she has a baby on the way! And I don't know if a long separation is feasible especially if Josh is the father.

JL23

Went back and looked. He is the father's lawyer. So, interesting that her call was to him, and seems like whatever she was told in that conversation led her to what she does at the end of the chapter, at least that's my read on what she means by leaving.

Andrew Mellein

I think they are divorcing and Kimmy's going to make house at Hyun's. But I don't see that relationship lasting.

Chris K

I still hope Josh finds out about Hyun. I think he has a right to know.

JL23

I forget, was Aaron Burg the father's lawyer, or the lawyer she was going to call to represent her against any charges? I think her "leaving" Josh is likely related to whatever she thinks (or now knows) is going to happen to her regarding stealing the money. But whether she tells Josh that, I'm not sure. Clearly, she's not leaving him to go be with Devlin, but without a real explanation that's probably what he'll think. I think it's also related to the idea of "freeing" Josh from her, for a multitude of reasons. But his reaction and her explanation will tell us a lot.

Chris K

Great to see them finally have this conversation! Jail or bail? Where's Kimmy going?...

Steve McCarty

Is Kimmy divorcing Josh to protect his assets? Thanks for the curveball.

Kat

Thank you, KT! So excited to read this.


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