Nekyias (@CarlJungMemes)
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EPISODE 3: THE COLLAPSE OF THE DREAM
🕑 Added 2022-09-23 00:54:51 +0000 UTCWelcome all Patreon subscribers! In this episode we're going to be tackling what, exactly, causes the Dream to collapse. We start with a very brief recap of the previous episodes, as well as a few clarifications. Then we move on to explore what causes depression from what we know today, as well as a continued discussion of Federico Campagna's Technic and Magic. Finally, we begin to tackle one of the fundamental concepts in this model—the capacity to imagine a "radical elsewhere." This will give us the foundational knowledge we need to tackle the next stage, The Failed Return to the Garden... you can think of this episode as being a two-parter, with the second part coming later this week.
The Collapse of the Dream/The Failed Return to the Garden (text from the original guide):
"A collapsing dream brings with it a sense of paradox—the dreamer may feel both a deep detachment and an inability to fully let go. This stage is characterized by nostalgia, hedonism, loss of interest and/or rumination… as the dream collapses, the psychological world of the dreamer literally grows smaller. Most of what we characterize as untreated depression happens at this stage. As the system of meaning-making erodes, nothing can be seen to matter in any real sense. There may be attempts to return to an earlier, happier time, or to anxiously work toward a perceived better future. This stage had no set endpoint—the collapsing Dream will never fully collapse without conscious action on the part of the dreamer. Many people never leave this stage."
Quote mentioned in the episode, from Technic and Magic:
"Understood symbolically, the image of a flat earth points to two intuitive objects of human experience: that the inhabitable world of each of us is at once shaped and enhanced by its limits, and that beyond these limits lies, not 'nothing' but something at once altogether different and yet contiguous. Conversely, the symbol of the spherical Earth hints at a different ontological vision, according to which the world stretches without boundaries, seamlessly closed onto itself, while outside of its smooth surface it is possible to find either nothing at all, or other equivalent spheres; that is repetitions of the same form of existence. A sphere... at once boundless, unitary, seamless, and also safe from the impending presence of anything radically different from it.” (48)
Comments
Dan
Lovely episode. Appreciate how this one wove together the threads of the first two, especially in regard to depression as a place. Several parts I found so beautiful they almost made me cry. Almost 😉
Victor Jugo De Naranja
I just finished listening to episode four. Really enjoying this series, and I'm happy to see in action the spirit that compels us to take the torch of knowledge into new realms—not just remembering it lighting some older world in the distance. The Absolute Language part had me thinking about propositional knowledge. The old Platonic paradigm that only now seems to be passing (maybe with the astrological age). Lately, I've been wondering if Jung's psychology would change at all if its neoplatonic assumptions were reconsidered. A lot of reconsidering going on in the world right now. Flat Earth seems to be a geographic reaction against the decentering of humanity's place in the universe. Maybe the New Humanism will recenter humans and give us a feeling of groundedness by locating our place in the universe by our senses and perceptions, and mythic history. We are the center of the version of the world that is perceived by our species. Anyway—thank you, again for sharing with all of us. Hope all is well wherever you're working from.
