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Building Furniture with Softwoods?

🕑 Added 2020-02-28 23:15:45 +0000 UTC

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Martin Hartley

Laminate some hardwood veneer on the outer faces. During WW2 they built aircraft such as the Mosquito using Balsa laminated with Birch.

Rex Krueger

I love when experienced woodworkers still find something useful in my work!

Rex Krueger

Remember the Spruce Goose? It flew...once.

Rex Krueger

You can do it! It's very stiff for it's weight. Durability on the other hand...

A1BASE

Now I’m feeling the need to build something out of Balsa just to see what happens.

Matthew Leigh

I grew up next to the forest where most New Zealand pine comes from

Paul Bucalo

That's awesome! So far, those I picked out to be in the best condition were all white oak. In being picky elsewhere, I've come across red oak (once milled so nice looking you would think I bought the boards from a mill), poplar, pine (obviously) and some species I wasn't familiar with. Even the pine boards can be used in making useful things around the shop or home. So it's all about luck in finding and being picky. Pallet snob! :D

The Poor Man

Rex not far from the Michigan/Ohio line there is a store that sells reclaimed barn wood. They've got everything from beams that sell by linear foot to pre dimensional that is all nail free. The prices aren't to bad.

The Poor Man

Paul Bucalo I dont have a coffee importer near me, but I do have a place that gets custom made pallets all the time and they just stack them up out back by the dumpster for anyone who wants them. They are also about 4ft by 8ft and made of everything but pine. I've gotten white oak red oak, walnut (not black just regular) as well as some made from cedar and hickory. And on occasion I get pieces off them that have crotch figure some have what looks like burly figure in them and once they are milled out you cant tell where they came from. This is an amazing tip but you are correct you have to be very picky. I've gotten to the point where if it looks like a normal pallet I'm not touching it.

KosmicValkyrie

I sometimes like to point out that softwoods like SYP, Douglas Fir, and Sitka Spruce (If you can find it) are used in both boat building and wooden aircraft structures due to their high strength to weight ratios. If it's good enough for an airplane, its good enough for your chair!

Michael Nix

I have a couple of thrift stores in the area that get furniture donations all the time that are not really salable due to damage. I have gotten a tremendous amount of hardwood from salvaging damaged or non-repairable tables.

Michael Nix

You are so on target. I have a couple of thrift stores in the area that get furniture donations all the time that are not really salable due to damage. I have gotten a tremendous amount of hardwood from salvaging damaged or non-repairable tables. In fact I built an entire renovation staircase 14 step tread set out of beautiful maple and birch for less cost than one tread of hardwood would have cost if I bought it commercially. I don't salvage wood from repairable items but there is so much out there at dumps, roadsides (free signs abound) and thrift store discards that I haven't bought hardwoods in years. The other benefit of salvaged lumber from furniture is that it is generally bone dry and seasoned as well as in many cases have great patina (if you can save it). Thanks for making this comment to this great post.

Michael Nix

Rex - this is a great post for beginning wood workers. I have been working in woods for a long time but every time I watch one of your videos or posts I learn something. One additional point you might make is that many expert wood workers use softwoods to build prototypes from soft woods to explore all the issues before diving into a high cost wood. Your point about many inexpensive hard softwoods being great is so true, especially popular. Smart use of stains and finishes can make an inexpensive wood highly usable and beautiful.

Steve Crane

Just did some searching and indeed, pines are not native to these shores and I have seen mention of at least five varieties originally from Mexico, USA, the Mediterranean and Scotland. They seem to all be lumped together as SA Pine for sale.

Rex Krueger

Might be the New Zealand stuff, which is great. We get it here, too.

Steve Crane

Here in South Africa most big stores (Builders Warehouse, Timbercity, Lumber City) stock SA Pine in various PAR (planed all round) sizes. Not sure what species of pine it is but it has worked pretty well for any of the DIY things I've knocked together.

William Allen

What a great post!

William Allen

Yes, we have a reclaimers store here as well. It does more than just wood: parts, hardware, architectural elements, windows and so on. However, their reclaimed wood is extremely expensive. For example, a 2x12 4 ft piece of Doug Fir is 350$. On the other hand, the hardware is all well priced. I got 60 Victorian Glass cupboard pulls for 2$ each.

James Crandall

I really enjoyed this post. It is nice to see folks with a woodworking platform advocating for the use of softwoods. I use softwoods for two major reasons. One is that I can get it for super cheap or free. For some strange reason people don’t usually like to give away wood that costs $8+ bdft.....but will get rid of good softwood lumber for next to nothing. The second reason and maybe more controversial is sustainability. Normally, hardwood take longer to grow then majority of softwoods do. This makes softwoods on average a more sustainable product the hardwood lumbers. Awesome post

Robert Bullock

I really liked this post! The very specific details of which stores and which species and the strengths of each are very valuable especially in figuring out how to start a project and keep costs in line without it looking like the lumber grade furniture picture in your post! Looking forward to the videos where you describe the details of picking a specific wood for a specific project. Thanks again!

Rex Krueger

I'll have a douglas fir stool next week and perhaps a little pine table later in the month. We'll see!

Rex Krueger

Generally, you can mix hard and softwoods without a lot of trouble if you keep a few things in mind. 1.) Softwoods are much more stable and don't move a lot with weather changes. So probably don't make a dovetail where one joint is hard and the other is soft. 2.) Softwood is good for bearing weight while being light. Hardwood resists damage. So a table with a softwood structure and a hardwood top work well. You can also do the opposite. That little milking stool has oak legs. 4 years old and going strong!

Rex Krueger

Many craftsmen of old worked primarily in softwoods. No shame. And yes, learn on cheap wood. Save the expensive wood for when you get at little better. Also, poplar is the king of cheap hardwoods. It's all I used for a long time.

Matthew Leigh

Matt Jackson from Next Level Carpentry has a good series on pallet wood

Rex Krueger

Patrons are Great-trons? Ug, sorry. It's early.

Rex Krueger

A whole retail store for reclaimed wood? That's interesting.

Rex Krueger

I think Pine has a nice glow to it. Especially with BLO and poly, it looks great for years.

Rex Krueger

Man, that's a great tip! Pallets do vary a lot and picking them is as important as getting them apart.

Rex Krueger

That's VERY useful, especially for a free resource. I learned this stuff in an expensive book.

Rex Krueger

I have an old pine bookcase in my office. Came out of my parent's barn, where it sat for God-knows how long. Solid as a rock.

Rex Krueger

I also lived in FL! I only just started woodworking then and I didn't get to use native species much. Drag!

Caleb Edward

I work at a lumber yard that sells southern yellow pine, and I was literally going to message you this weekend to request a video about building with it. As always, you're one step ahead of me.

Jan Møgelbjerg

When I need some oak or beech in larger pieces, I will go to some second hand stores and find old furnitures. It's amazing how much I can bring home for $20-$25. Firewood is a good source for smaller pieces of oak and beech. Mostly though, I use pine and douglas, but what I miss the most when I see projects with hardwood is the mix of colors that sometimes makes even the most ordinary design look astonishing. Sometimes I stain some of the wood I use, but I wonder if Rex have some good advice on which dark(er) sorts of hardwood that could be used together with softwood without causing twists, tensions or other problems?

Kevin Lundquist

Bookmarked: Thank you!

Nic Beurskens

https://www.wood-database.com/ Can't live without it. Hardness, grain type, identification, health risks, structural strength, weight wet/dry

Kevin Lundquist

Thank you for the validation, Rex. I was planning on working exclusively with cheap KD SPF (and plywood) until I hone my skills; no use wasting expensive woodworking store wood until I know what I'm doing a bit more! I found a chart on the 'net somewhere that rated wood based on hardness that was kind of surprising. Unfortunately, I didn't save a link.

Matthew Leigh

Pine Is Fine

Marc Gigliello

I’m in Long Island, mostly box stores, I did find a reclaimed wood store, on my days off...I will see what they offer.

James Boatright

You may recall a long ago post in the community section that all my living room furniture is pine including the memorable "half lamp" commonly refered to as the transporter accident. With good design even all 90 degree corners can be attractive. Pine furniture can be glorius.

Nic Beurskens

Lived in Pensacola, Floribama for 2 years. Long leaf and southern yellow everywhere. Try out some live oak if you get the chance!

Paul Bucalo

Our local Lowe's (bless its its-bitsy little heart) has a hard time keeping their quality pine at a "quality" level. Warps, twist, cups, oh my! And it's not as cheap as I would think it should be. If I have to make something sturdy and strong from a 2-by, I'll pay the extra dollar per board for a Douglas Fir. While controversial with many, a lot can be done with pallet wood, if you are picky about what kind and where you get them. About forty minutes from me is a coffee importer than occasionally has too many pallets to store on site. They give them away for free. But before you think of those wimpy pine pallets you normally see, they are 48" x 96", made of red and white oak, weighing in at around 140 a piece. I have them use a fork lift to fill the back of my pickup, which has an 8' box. When I get home, the wife and I struggle to slide these suckers off the truck one by one. I've seen them in two configurations. When the boards are cut away parallel to the length of the runners, the short boards are 7/8" thick and average approx. 21" long. Wide boards are 1-1/4" thick and average around 26" long. Quality, as you can imagine varies. For rustic builds this is great stuff. I've milled some that you never would have guessed where they came from. The better you pick, the better the yield. if you have a coffee importer near you, it's worth checking them out.

Shanni Marmen

Found this: http://workshopcompanion.com/KnowHow/Wood/Hardwoods_&_Softwoods/1_Wood_Botany/1_Wood_Botany.htm

William Nilsen

You are so right. I have a bookshelf I made out of pine over 50 years ago, and it has spent the last 15 or so down in my damp basement and it's still like new. And still pretty.

The Idle Hands Workshop - Stephen Miller

Living in the Panhandle of Florida aka L.A. ( Lower Alabama ) we have more pine than we can shake a stick at.... I literally see it driving down the roads daily on my way to work ( Final Destination always playing in my head as well ). I've made some really nice stuff with it and only recently started trying new things like oak and walnut. Down here pine is just fine with me as it's cost effective and easy to work with and my tools tend to last a lot longer... just have to clean them a bit more depending on how fresh the pine is.

Jim Williams

Doggone you Rex! Now, you have given another way to spend money I don't have! I'm gonna have to get a part time job soon! :)

Nic Beurskens

Fantastic article! I'd like to add that Douglas Fir and Long Leaf Pine are both used extensively in the paper industries as well. This makes them some of the most sustainable woods for North Americans to use. There are tons of guidelines and regulations that govern replanting and forest conservation tied to these woods and industry. Old growth may be coveted, but second and third growth in the stiffer species are still excellent to work and strong. Living in the Pacific Northwest, I love my trees alive and out in nature as much as I do air-dried and stacked for furniture. Tropical hardwoods are getting expensive for a reason, they are disappearing quickly. I'm not here to judge anyone's choice of wood, but sustainability is one more reason to choose softwoods from your region!

Aaron Sprague

Most of what I have been building with is southern yellow pine. It's always nice when I change up woods to hardwood. I feel it is easier to do nice joins with hardwood.


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