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"Gather the ingredients before baking the cake" – making sure you'll finish a SONG!
🕑 Added 2020-08-13 15:12:42 +0000 UTC
(I'm still working on My most used plugins post…will come SOON though! It just takes a lot of writing, but will be worth it)
What I know about many music-makers out there based on asking them what’s challenging to them about making music is that many of them often say that finishing a song is one of the hardest parts when it comes to making music – or, coming up with enough ideas so that the song would be easy to finish. Seems many are struggling with 16-bar loops (or loops of any length that are not forming into songs).
Making new loops IS very much fun, yeah?
I wanted to share with you what’s been helping me tremendously in terms of actually being able to write songs instead of those frustrating loops. Also, seems many are good at writing those loops, so my technique is also built around being able to create a loop.
This tip mostly relates to using Ableton Live due to its session view, but this can be done with any DAW, technically.
What was a game-changer for me about Ableton Live is its session view with its non-linear approach. Trust me, in the past I was often in a situation where I have created an intro pad and hihats with some bass etc., and I’m looking at the linear timeline, thinking, “Oh god, I still have so long to go before this is a song”, and that right there is intimidating and it feels like you have to run 20 kilometers to get anywhere. I’d add 16 bars of intro beats and watch the linear timeline again, feeling I didn’t make that much progress, trying to think what I’d add next to make it longer. This is slow and kills the joy quick.
What’s helped me is what’s so great about Ableton Live (it’s also one of its biggest strengths and differences compared to other DAWs): its Session View. It’s basically a sketchpad where you can drag things real quick from the browser or Finder/Explorer, loop them, create sections, layer ideas etc. without having to look at a linear timeline.
That part is definitely fun, and making music should be FUN, right?
So, what I do these days I often create one really busy section (a “scene” in Ableton Live) in Session View which contains an absolute ton of stuff playing simultaneously, up to a point where there’s so much it sounds ridiculous, and you could not play that much at the same time without it sounding too busy.
This IS fun: finding things that go well with the theme and the mood of the song – creating synthlines, little filler sounds, fills, variations of drum clips etc.
We all can probably agree that that sort of "work" is enjoyable, because it's stress-free playing with musical ideas. I keep piling things till I think I have enough. I don’t think of the song length at that point.
Once it's really busy, I know I have enough ingredients for a song, so I won’t end up in the “Uhh, I don’t know what to do next” situation. Basically, at that point I’m still not looking at linear time at all, because in Session View it doesn’t exist….so it’s all fun till that point as I’m not “working hard” or anything, its just fun creating that one superloop megascene.
So all I have to do then is to spread all those things around (either to other scenes to form sections for the song or to arrangement) to create a full song. E.g., I grab the busy drums clip from the megascene, make a less busy variation of it for an intro section, then build it towards the busy one. I do this for all clips in my megascene (not all of them necessarily need thinning, though).
TL;DR:
I think that first creating a very busy section with a lot of ideas and then working towards it and also away from it is pretty much fun and not as stressful as building a song part by part where you have to stress your brain trying to think what the next 16 bars should do.
You could compare this to gathering all ingredients you need for a cake before starting to bake it – as how can you bake a cake if you don’t have all it needs? Or, think of this as putting a big pile or butter in one spot on a piece of bread, then just spreading it all evenly.
This was a big selling point for me about Ableton Live: I realized Session View is way more fun for me than trying to work with a traditional sequencer where this sort of song-planning is not nearly as easy and convenient.
You can kind of do this with other DAWs, but you won't be able to trigger clips laying around here and there – you're stuck with the loop in one place on the arrangement.
(btw I'm not trying to sell Ableton Live to you; I don't get one Yen of its sales or anything)
Does this make sense to you? What methods do you have to overcome the 16-bar-loop problem? I’d love to hear your thoughts on the matter!
Comments
Michael
Couple years late to the cake party here but the French call it "mise en place"!
Janne Hatula
If you've heard some of stuff, it's often pads, strings, some extra effects, and small sounds just for spice, vocals…and these days I like doing a lot of "bass-switching" / adding bass sound variety. I think that's a fairly fitting description of my DNB at least :)
Mihai
Hey Janne, quick question to take the baking recipe analogy further: so usually you have some basic ingredients when making most sweets, you've got the dry part (usually flour, you get to choose the type, but you also balance it with sugar, etc.), the wet part (milk, either dairy or non-dairy, and/or water, eggs, either whole or just yolks, etc.), then you have the stuff that comes extra like fruit or chocolate or some other sort of cream. The thing is, you have these basic categories of ingredients, but based on what exactly you throw in, in what order and how you cook them, you get different result. What would be the big categories of ingredients you think about when making a DnB tune? Obviously you have the drums and the bass, but what do you add on top of that?
Pete Galliott
I really should you know how it is when you’ve got a habit going though 🤣
Janne Hatula
Learn it, man, it's fun! Such a different approach. That's what sold Live to me many years ago. Also so fun to do live/playable sets with that view.
Janne Hatula
Right on man! Sketchpad stuff is essential, I feel. Good tip about bouncing the loops!
Pete Galliott
Half the reason for not using session view is not learning it yet. Might be worth doing though if I get a dry spell
Pete Galliott
Pretty much the same thing but I use the timeline view as a sketch book till I catch a vibe. One little thing I’ve been doing lately is bouncing the loops out that don’t make the final 16 or “scene”
Janne Hatula
Yeah – these days I hardly ever work on a song in sessions longer than 2 hours or so. That's how I get shit done: approaching the song (only) when I'm feeling energetic and 100% up for it…so a lot gets done in a short time instead of lazy procrastinating.
J
The Overnight Test! Sometimes the best way to finish something is to actually stop for a short while. Listening the next day with fresh ears always helps.
Janne Hatula
Do it! 🍰 🤘🏻 I promise putting the energy where it's fun WILL bring results!
All Hail Eris
The cake analogy hits home! I'm trying it today
