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Kru Diesel F.A. Group - The Art of Knees (84 min)
🕑 Added 2020-01-12 17:07:43 +0000 UTCas a patron you can also listen to this session as a podcast
Kru Diesel is responsible for some of the biggest names in Bangkok National Stadia, most notably Petboonchu and Yothin. He is a renowned trainer of Muay Khao and the F.A. Group gym has for many years now been a destination for westerners hoping to focus on clinch in Thailand. For me, as not only a practitioner of knee fighting but also a huge admirer of the style and its variations, the chance to get Kru Diesel into the Muay Thai Library was one that I'd been looking forward to for a long time.
He didn't disappoint. Kru Diesel is relaxed in a way that relentless, violently destructive fighters often are in their natural disposition. But he's not disengaged or dismissive, he has an incredibly keen eye for what can be improved upon and a degree of patience for when to insert that information or correction that I found really inspiring. Regardless of what style one is in Muay Thai, the way to become adroit in that style is via lots and lots and lots of time spent just doing it. Playing, making mistakes, trying things out. For the Muay Khao style, that means endless hours in freestyle clinching - getting tired, recovering, using power, conserving power, using technique, solving someone else's technique, etc. Somehow, Kru Diesel was able to touch on all these things within the 1 hour session. He started out by having me just clinch with one of his fighters, Bia, who is bigger, taller, and more skilled than I am. But he's also experienced in clinching against all different levels, so he more or less kept his power and skills at "Baby Bear" for me to be able to "win some, lose some more."
Things to Look Out For:
1) Proximity, Effort, Arc and Timing: one of the first things Diesel corrects is me trying to use strength to turn Bia, who is bigger and stronger than I am. Kru Diesel specifies that it's too early (in the fight, in the clinch session) to be using strength because my opponent (Bia) still has strength and energy, too. So he changes the turn I'd used into a little twist that requires very little strength and is timed to the opponent's strike, so they kind of help you knock them over with their own movement. Just this one correction touches on many points: when to use strength, how to use timing, who are you fighting, what are they good at, etc. For turns to work without strength, you have to stay really close.
2) Turns on Knees: if you're in-fighting, the only weapons available are knees or throws. So time your throws against the opponent's knees and, since they're doing the same, jump on your knees so that you're not relying on the ground and risk being swept on your own knees. Not every time - you have to remain versatile and unpredictable - but add it to the arsenal.
3) Yothin's Lock: Diesel specifies a lock that Yothin uses, which is more or less exactly like my overturn lock but without overturning (which is a problem for me). The arm wraps all the way around the opponent's neck and the wrists lock on one side, but you stay squared up (rather than the overturn I get myself into) and so the proximity of your upper bodies makes it impossible for your opponent to pry you off, but you can use a strong lower-body whip to turn the opponent to the ground.
4) Knee Buckles: you can also learn this from Kru Gai in the Muay Thai Library, and Namsaknoi has a version, but Diesel takes advantage of the opponent pushing their hips in during clinch (which is a good defense from knees as a temporary position) by knocking them off of one leg with his knee to their thigh and then ripping toward his own hip.
5) Inside Ankle Tap: this is the opposite of the outside trip, wherein if an opponent takes a wide stance you can just put your foot inside theirs and quickly knock their ankle outward, putting their weight on one leg, and ripping them down with a strong twist.
6) His Posture: I obsess over this a bit and it's not ever taught to me, but he does it all throughout the session and you should totally watch it and steal it. Kru Diesel's body position is such that he tucks his head between his shoulders without "hunching" to protect his neck and jaw, but has his stance wide and kind of C shaped. Just watch how he puts his hips out and in at different moments to complicate my attacks, snuff my power, change angles and throw. It's beautiful.
7) His arms: I also obsess over the frame he makes. It's different from mine, which is one hand on the neck and one on the inner arm. Kru Diesel likes both arms to be bent, which makes them harder to move by the opponent, but he loves to pin the opponent's long arm against his own shoulder and then yank them (me) around or elbow over it. The arm pin is incredible, but just having his arms bent the way he does is incredibly defensive at this range.
8) Shoulder Crushing: shoulders are totally the secret to the best clinchers. Kru Diesel crushes my arm against my face to turn out of a lock. I struggle a bit with our height difference, but it's mostly because I didn't understand to pull him into my shoulder first (Sangtiennoi teaches this in his Library Session as well). You pull the opponent's head to your shoulder/peck, then crush their arm upward with your shoulder against your jaw and rotate your body.
9) Strength and Technique: he makes this point early, verbally, but he makes it over and over again in what he's teaching me throughout the session. I've heard it from every great teacher/fighter who one should listen to, the same thing: if you don't have endurance/power, you don't have access to your technique. If you don't have technique, you'll use up all your power too early. Learn them together. Work on them together. Figure out how to make them function in tandem, like how your upper body and lower body should work together; like how offense and defense should be one.
Watch our Library Coffee Podcast on this Session
Kevin and discuss some of the deeper ideas we found in this session here
Stills From the Session
If you enjoyed this session there are other excellent Muay Khao sessions in the Library you might also like. These are some of them:
#2 Joe Hongthong - Developing Muay Khao Style (87 min) - watch it here
This is nearly an hour and a half of straight on Muay Khao instruction. Joe was a top stadium fighter and he's watched me fight for several years, so this is Advanced Level tweaking, as he teaches how to bring elbows and knees together, discussing the ways that dragging back can work for a forward fighter, and the differences with more technical (femur) approaches. Muay Khao is a technique unto itself.
#4 Yodwicha - Clinch and Muay Khao (Knee) Specialist (35 min) - watch it here
Yodwich shared the Fighter of the Year award as only a 16 year old, and his success in the Lumpinee ring made him one of the most feared clinch fighters in Thailand. In this session he goes through his favorite Muay Khao techniques, shows why he prefers side-attack locks, and turns.
#10 The Clinch Techniques of Yodwicha - Session 2 (34 min) watch it here
This is my second session with Yodwicha, you can see the first further down below. This one really gets into the specifics of clinch technique and defense. One of the best clinch fighters in Thailand, co-Fighter of the Year, sharing his unique attack style.
#23 Boraphet Pinsinchai - Muay Khao Mastery (64 min) watch it here
Kru Ten (Boraphet Pinsinchai) lives and breathes the Muay Khao fight style, and in this session just unfolds a treasure of interlocking techniques, all of which express what I would call his "sticky" style. Trips, counters, locks, elbows the list is extensive, almost too much to fit into an hour.
#42 Boraphet Pinsinchai - Muay Khao Fighting Techniques (50 min) watch it here
Kru Ten is probably the best Muay Khao (knee fighting) private in Thailand, and one of the best in the Muay Thai Library. He not only is expert at clearly illustrating techniques, he has a perfect energy pace in his instruction.
#41 Samson Isaan - The Art of Dern Fighting (64 min) watch it here
To "dern" in Thai is to "walk", which means basically to just come forward no matter what, to create a relentlessness. Voted Fighter of the Year in 1991, Samson Isaan was one of the great Dern Fighters of the Golden Age, and in this session he shows his forward pulsing techniques which are meant to just overwhelm his opponent. Also a great session for pressure Southpaw fighters.
#45 Langsuan Panyutapum - Monster Muay Khao Training (66 min) watch it here
One of the greatest knee fighters who ever fought, 1987 Fighter of the Year Langsuan shows how an elite Muay Khao fighter of his day trained. This session is powerful on the basics that elevate the body and mind, at high repetition, allowing the relentless, pressing style that made Langsuan the fighter nobody wanted to fight.
you can browse the full Muay Khao archive here
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Comments
Yuri Savchenko
amazing! thanks put in my visit list thanks so much! watched it 2 times
Oh, and the other thing that you both spoke of about his gentleness in the coffee podcast , I found him to be a gentle, warm guy and very welcoming - in and out of the training arena. A Legend for sure!
So glad you went to learn from Kru D. He is amazing on many levels. I went to FA Group a couple of years back and trained over four weeks, mainly with Kru D holding pads for me (luckily it was a quiet time for their fighters and not many farang present so I he spent time with me). He's really generous, even in regular training sessions, and I can say from my experience that his pad holding in regular sessions pretty much matched that which I saw him teach you in the private.
Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu
You mean the "huh huh huh" sound? That's like a war drum!
Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu
Thanks so much for this feedback. Makes me happy.
Mark Elliot Jackson
I enjoy your intros with driving footage on the way to the session. It's immersive and also a nice reminder to me that training begins before you even step on the mats. I appreciate your work!
Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu
He's widely considered the best, but the best of a diluted era, so it it difficult to tell. Most legends I have talked to seem to feel he would have had a harder time in the Golden Age when there were so many elite, yodmuay fighters.
I noticed something small but maybe relevant in this one, at ~49:30 Kru Diesel changes his breathing in the clinch. The comment above by John reminded me of when I heard this type of breathing before - - it was when Kru Pot was clinching with Saenchai and Kru Pot was breathing like that later on in the video. I am not sure if that is from exhaustion or for rhythm or is there some further technique with that sort of pulsating breathing in the clinch? Hoping you might have some insight about this. This was a cool session! I didn't know what to expect with Kru Diesel but his teaching style seems intuitive and powerful.
The padwork. Relentless. Love it!
Definitely in my top 5 favorite sessions of yours Kru Sylvie, thanks so much. On another note, I have only seen you briefly talk about Saenchi whenever he is mentioned. Do you consider him the goat? Where do you rank him generally? Thank you for all your hard work. Khap!
