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Chapter 66 - Anomie

🕑 Added 2022-06-24 21:41:33 +0000 UTC
Chapter 66 - Anomie

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TMarkos

You're absolutely correct in that it is functionally identical to the default case for pretty much everyone throughout history; "Jeorg" even uses this as an argument when he's debating Mike over cutting Galen's low soul loose. The reason he brings it up to Leire is that she has frequently expressed interest in the idea of him retaining low souls, and has more recently said that his inheritance of her low soul would make her motivations clear to him. This indicates that she has been assuming for some time now that her low soul would come to Michael after her death. As someone who has (both in the story and in epigraphs) talked a lot about the concerns she has surrounding her mortality and legacy, it's not a stretch to think that Leire derived some level of comfort from the idea that her low soul would end up with Michael as he completed her work. Michael's rejection therefore carries some weight with her, as it contradicts that assumption, denies that comfort and generally calls into question a lot of her suppositions about how he would carry out her legacy moving forward.

Earnest

The threat Michael makes here does not make sense to me. He threatens that unless Stellar fundamentally changes who she is, when he inherits her high and low soul through affinity he will cut the low soul loose and let it cease to exist. This seems like a nonthreat given that everyone who has ever died except a handful of people we are aware of experienced the same fate of not having their low soul held onto. This is just the standard way death works and what Leire would have assumed would happen to her for her entire life. Am I missing something? Does someone else understand how this might be a functional threat?

Blorcyn

Fantastic. Thank you for such a detailed reply.

TMarkos

Tea does sound lovely.

WachTraum

And by addressed you mean released in a brutal bout of soul conflict between probably the most dangerous souls on the planet? Or do you envision a group therapy session over tea?

TMarkos

Again I find myself lamenting the lack of the menacing-glasses-push emoji here on patreon. Fair to say that the tension between Mike and Leire will have to be addressed at some point.

WachTraum

I was thinking about the dangerous Secret Sobriquet talked about after Micheal got his soul and the way it involves Luke. What are the Chances that Stellar, terrified of Micheals threat and her legacy, tries to find a more *controllable* host for Micheals Soul? Stellar seems to me one of the better ways to kill a potens of Micheals caliber.

TMarkos

I addressed some of this in my reply to Blorcyn's comment (below, currently at the bottom of the comment stack) but one thing I'd draw attention to is that Mike constantly finds himself meeting people first in a scenario where there is no inherent conflict between what he wants and what they want, and then later there is such a conflict - Sofia being the most prominent example. I like this as an author because it lets me explore the relationship first before things get adversarial, to lay a foundation for how that conflict later plays out (or, as with Sobriquet, doesn't) and to highlight the aspects of their character that are situationally malleable. It is a hazard of writing that you know your characters a little too well, and I think that sometimes I fail to make their motivations and rationale as transparent as I should. Writing from Mike's PoV exclusively makes this difficult, and sticking to that PoV is a deliberate decision because I wanted the reader to learn and assess more or less in lockstep with him. The only exceptions are the epigraphs and supplements.

TMarkos

One of the things that I've tried to portray in the story is that the souls do alter the way people see and interact with the world. If you can see better, hear better, listen to peoples' emotions, bend steel with your bare hands - that's going to have an impact on your general worldview. When the BoEV depicts their "archetypes", therefore, that's just observation of how a given soul or skew of soul tends to push people given the extra information and capability it provides. It's the same thing Luc has been warning Michael about ad nauseum, incidentally, although he's convinced such changes can't help but be wholly nefarious. When writing the miniature-whodunit in this chapter and the last, I was a bit conflicted over how much misdirection and investigation to put in - some variants of this arc in my head had them spending multiple chapters running down leads. In the end, I figured that there wasn't much the Sobriquet/Mike combo couldn't figure out in short order using the same "I'll point you to it and you figure it out" dynamic they used all the way back when they first met to ferret out the truth of the destruction in Leik. A lot of the pieces in this arc are deliberately reused former dynamics like that, which I mostly lifted and dropped without changes. The other major one is the sacrifice of a prisoner to prepare Mike better for what's ahead. If you recall, Antolin did almost exactly the same thing early on in their continental campaign when he felt Mike was too reluctant to use his power for violence. Mike was pretty angry about that one too, but he accepted Antolin's good intentions even if he maintained his disagreement. Leire has influenced quite a few characters in this story, Antolin and Jeorg chief among them. They both took very different lessons from her, though. Antolin, by virtue of his close association with her, is much more like Leire than any other character. You can learn a lot about Leire by observing their characters, although it's not really anything you couldn't glean from her dialog and epigraphs. As she said before (c21): "As such I find myself playing the villain on occasion; it is in turns tiring, amusing and vindicating - and above all, necessary." Michael's ability to act rationally is greatly helped by his soul. He explicitly references both Spark and Stanza here, which both provide a crucial objective perspective that he can rely on instead of making emotionally-fueled decisions. I had always intended there to be an eventual conflict where Sera's additional motivations (for Daressa, etc) pull her in directions that Mike finds difficult, and she's referenced her fears about the reconciliation of her revolutionary persona with her personal life. This ended up being a much softer conflict than I had initially envisioned, because in the end empathy really does make things like this a lot easier. Not to say this is the last we'll see of it...

TMarkos

Smoke is a very good way to mitigate Stellar, but Kevin's point is accurate - at that point you're not really stifling it as much as opposing it, increasing the total force bound up in the system. If Mike had a bunch of opposing souls he *could* notionally strive for some sort of zeroing-out point like that but he'd be setting himself up for massive, destructive failure if he ever had a particularly bad day.

Kevin Zhang

I think Micheal has a better chance of sealing stellar with stanza. If he seals with smoke, a single lapse in either of the souls would doubly fuck over.

Blorcyn

Yeah. This is really useful. She /has/ been upfront and we've noted her upfrontness. But when Michael and others have denied her, we've attributed that to her letting him have his agency, and her being willing to shelf her objections, after raising them and having had her say. We've assumed she'd fret and raise plans with him to mitigate it, suggest courses of action that he might not be comfortable with... But it's completely at odds with her character by excerpts, and her characteristic introduction where she BLEW UP an army for the sake of politics and the best path to her mind. She's signalled clearly, and we, like Michael, have not correctly interpreted how she's behaved because she's an ethical, old, on-side lady. She respects Michael's value, not his agency, and that's our mistake but a very well-crafted mistake for the story, and absolutely hits like a gut punch to realise it.

jaen

Hmm, fair point about being driven by fear and this leading to suboptimal decisions, pretty human. Maybe I just didn't get that it clouds her judgement to this degree – because really, what she's done had only marginal chances for success against the Three of Eight combo, so such high risk play seemed weird than one when you could control the fallout by playing straight – because it's certainly harder to gauge that if we're only ever in Mike's PoV (or maybe I just missed hints). Getting in Leire's head would help, but I'm pretty sure this is a deliberate decision to stick with Mike only. Right, I never assumed she explicitly wanted them dead, but given her experience and this apparently being someone trusted I can't imagine she didn't know it would be a likely outcome. And such calculated callousness only made it worse when the jig was up. Given she's presented as pragmatic, calculating and competent it's surprising she would've made this choice, unless that fear is really bordering at crippling. Though I guess you could also argue that for all her might she's ultimately human and it thus to err is Leire (but then it would be nice if the story pointed that out at some point). I would certainly welcome some treading of this ground when there's some downtime between the story beats, because I feel like I'm missing some part of the picture here.

Blorcyn

The excerpt -- I just got it. I just got that the Institute is Stanza's/Gardener's folly, in the way that the Safid's holy book kinda paints his soul to be. I think I expected them to have good parables, but the idea that they're able to identify the errr 'narrative archetype', if that makes sense, into which soul holder's for the big eight fall is both horrifying and completely in keeping with the setting, I suppose. So, Leire and her Marshall are on a break. As much as I hope she turns it around and can resume the sort of synthesis with Michael that she had before and he warns her to seek, here, I think perhaps her having one of her pillars kicked out from under her may not help that effort. Fantastically exciting chapter, in terms of engagement. I know I'm constantly blowing smoke up your arse in these patreon replies, but I want to emphasise that I am not often a smoke blower and it's a deliberate desire on my part to engage with you on every chapter that I can because you're so good and I'm not just enjoying you as a reader, I'm baffled by you as a fan and aspire to sell herring as well as you do. You're able to lead us down the garden path very very well. In this plot, my first thought was Leire/Antolin to bolster Michael. Protect the asset. It's obvious to us the reader that he would be better with Galen's soul/power, so it's obvious to them too. Then Leire and Antolin who have by the standard by of Michael's understanding of politics been pragmatic but straight shooters (they want a good relationship with him, and around their edges the threat of their utilitarian spectre lurks) and it makes sense. Leire is open, says she doesn't regret him being stronger, but denies the crime. Fine. I take her at her word as the reader. So I think. We're being pointed at Ardalt, so it's probably, knowing you, the third path of the Safid seeking this rarefying ideological conflict that we hear so much about. So of course, you find the fourth path. The investigation shows such sophistication of technique in their soul use that it /is/ mendiko, and what's more we have a link to a stout Leire supporter in starting this war. Aha, I think. You won't trick me. I'm glad I didn't come down here and waste the words at the time of reading that memory scene. I suspected you would trick us again, and it would be someone who is paid by the Safid or Ardalt to support a war, so support Leire, but be working for them. Again, the Safid's ideology allows all kinds of counter-intuitive strategies for worthy opponents. Then, of course, Leire admits it at the questioning. Your ability to trick us is so good now that your straight down the path resolutions that you tell us about, are playing out as twists. Sensational stuff. The reason I'm so pleased is that you are consistent in making a world and characters who refuse to play along with our assumptions. You have in and out of story told us what you want to write, and how great power affects the soul holders. And we keep trying to assume good people will be good and bad people will be bad. When there're not 'bad' and 'good' people. I've just read the above comments and replied to one of yours, and this more of that. We need to take people at their word, but, like Michael, we keep struggling with the people we see and the people that they are, and how we want to put people in and out of Michael's camp. It lets you play terrible and brilliant tricks on us. Anyway, Michael's reasonableness continues to suprise me. Perhaps it's too much Royal Road and arch-fiction exposure, but choosing to not deepen a rift and go with his principles (a wonderful foil to Antolin/Leire's relationship fracture here, and his warning for her) is so different to the general thing that we see in male protagnosits. It reminds me of UNSONG, which you may or may not have heard of -- the main character in that is a very intelligent but ordinary man. He loves his love interest but looks at other women sometimes. I remember this because it's so unusual to not have a Knightly purity or a lothario in an MC. Here I felt the same sort of thing. Normal human experience in an abnormal world, Michael is doing a fantastic job at showing that and remaining grounded when he really should be up to his shoulders in blood and megalomania at this point, if this were many other popular RR writers.

Kate Yen

Awesome chapter! I was thinking about how Michael might deal with the downsides of Stellar, as being stuck in a cage would be as stifling for the narrative as it would be for his social life. I realized - if Michael could seal away Spark at the expense of Stanza, could he not do the same with Smoke? It is, after all, even more directly opposed to Stellar than the life-axis souls are to one another. Even a more permanent kind of mutual annihilation doesn't seem out of the question. Saleh has to go, one way or another, so I imagine he'll follow pretty closely behind Leire. (Or she'll defy expectations and live until right before the end of the story, I suppose)

TMarkos

Her primary motivation, as Mike said, is fear. She's done nothing but comment on matters of Mike's safety since they began fighting on the continent, even as Antolin is pressing him to involve himself in battles again and again. From her perspective it's the primary concern in the war, more so than their notional objectives. As she said a couple of chapters ago, it's all meaningless if Mike dies. Anxiety and fixation lead to suboptimal decision-making. Add to that, she didn't go to Lekubarri and say "hey, I need this guy dead and please kill a few Mendiko folks while you're at it." Her message would have been vague, so she could make a convincing denial that wouldn't trip Sobriquet's spidey sense, conveying only the general shape of the problem and its extreme urgency. Lekubarri's interpretation of that combined with the execution of the team that actually did the work is what resulted in five dead men. There may be some exploration of the issue when everyone's in a place where they can discuss it frankly, but right now that's not really the case.

jaen

Oh for sure, she was certainly presented as very pragmatic from the start, but even then it was a bit outside of how I modelled her, so I would have to – as they say – update my priors. I didn't expect her to sacrifice lives of her subordinates for a short lived bit of plausible deniability that in the end didn't buy her much and even earned more animosity – I think with a more "direct" approach Mike would still be nonplussed but not outright betrayed and played with (and no Mendiko would have to die for that). So I'm not sure what she could stand to gain here. Is this a politics thing where she needed plausible deniability for either Mendiko or Ardan consumption and Mike's attitude was a necessary sacrifice? Or maybe it goes to show that's shes a bit too far gone in playing her role, as Anatolin's reaction seems to indicate? I'm not quite sure what to make of it right now.

TMarkos

She's said a few times that she's prepared to give up everything to secure Mendian's future, and Mike is that future as far as she's concerned. You can bet that she thought about the wording of that "every breath you draw to curse my name" bit ahead of time, on the presumption that Sobriquet had a good chance of fishing out the truth despite her skullduggery. If you look at where she shows surprise or unexpected reactions during the chapter, you'll get a good idea of where reality diverged from her plan a bit.

TMarkos

I was anxious, as I said in another comment - this little arc had the potential to disrupt the flow of things so I was trying to keep it as short as I could without messing with the overall pace of the story. I think I like where it ended up!

jaen

I was honestly considering this was some dissent brewing and instead it was just Leire being her mercenary self, heh. I guess it shouldn't be surprising given how we met her, but I still didn't expect her to actually do this. Especially with this cold, calculated subterfuge that didn't really seem to buy her much given how easily they unraveled it - while she might've bought Michael some resiliency, it also seems she had lost enough goodwill that it might not have been worth it, over a more plain "too dangerous to live" approach.

Pariah

Damn, that, my good sir, was a climax if ive ever seen one. Good on you my man

TMarkos

Thank you for reading! This was a big one (plotwise, not by volume) and I was anxious about how it would turn out. I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Alexandria Clarke

Thank you for such a beautiful chapter

Alexandria Clarke

HOLY FUCK


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