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Echos Chapter 2

🕑 Added 2023-11-08 19:58:01 +0000 UTC

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-Sanguine-

One of my favorites. Wholesome af

John Gabriel Regier

I know I’m way late to comment but this is one of my favorite chapters so far.

Marcus

Justinian giving me the damn waterworks treatment😭😭😭😭😭

DiAlpha

The drama?

Richard Loveless

Justinians section almost brought a tear to my eye.

ThymEnough

I'm curious if you meant to name these chapters "Echoes" and misspelled it?

David Harr

She was on the ship with all of Aster’s friends, so was at the Ascension in Leon’s box. Her reactions are covered there.

Drakken17

If remember right they sold slots to the play pen for the rich and the nobles used slots assigned to them as bargaining. Also they assess them at the play pen and I think those with the right drive they try to find sponsors for.

Alex

Poor Jasmine though, she liked Felix. She'll actually have a more difficult time now finding a good boyfriend.

Alex

Makes sense I guess :)

Neil

Jasmine is only rich/connected relative to Lilly, which is to say not particularly at her current tier. Read the part about credits again.

Alex

Yes, Matt marrying a princess already threw her life into chaos a bit, but she was still multiple steps removed from royalty. Now with Matt being an Ascender it's gonna be soo much worse xD she'll be able to accelerate a lot of her plans for the planet though. I bet being the birthplace of two Ascenders is gonna do wonders for settlement and recruiting

Alex

Patreon app comment scrolling works normally again :) so nice, it was very annoying Jasmin should've had high tier sponsors or sth right? You don't get to be in playpen without being on the path if youre not rich/connected. The whole picking who gets to be on the path always seemed a bit biased to me. Detrimental talents get flagged by the AIs and if they fulfill certain requirements a potential sponsor tests the kid. If you have exceptional talent the same may happen. People with normal talents seem kinda screwed, they need to have connections to find a sponsor. Or connections to get to be in playpen and possibly attract a sponsor. I suppose Luck may also help, accidentally catching the eye of someone, but there never really seemed to be a proper system for people who want to join the path, no application forms or whatever, just luck.

Alex

I doubt it. She didn't seem like she really wanted to advance. She seemed perfectly content staying low tier. Same with the orphanage boss. She was still T2 when Matt visited before the tournament, the director was T3. Considering she's gotta be at least 10yrs older than Matt, that means she was 50+ and still T2, I very much doubt she suddenly tiered up enough to still be alive

KoZa

I’m really hoping that the lady from Matt’s orphanage got to a high enough tier to live to see this (I’m blanking on her name, but the one who Matt saw almost as a mother). I’d love to see her reaction

KoZa

Pinot noir is a type of grape, so it couldn’t be made into whiskey. You can make Whiskey in used Pinot casks but I think the Whiskey went to griff and the Pinot went to his wife. A ‘foxy’ reference would have been pretty funny

Markus

Oh god Jasmine have the ultimate card to play in any relationship drama she ever get into for the rest of eternity. "You are worse at this than my first boyfriend."

Mister Cakers

I’d figure the junipers are all mega-goners rn, I’d definitely want to see reaction of those in the same political party though.

Joshua Jernigan

So need a reaction of baroness thresh just absolutely going crazy

Jaklelope

Tyftc

Havokk

I think he meant savory as typically the people who try to become blood mages arent the best people to do so. so he hoping some people who are better individuals will try it

Jonathan Campbell

Yea, I’m just having to fight the cognitive dissonance, especially since they had been almost completely focused on figuring out which Pathers were behind the masks. I’m a bit disappointed now that I realize that they’re just Light and Shadow, I had enjoyed the little glimpses of perspectives that might not be the same as for the citizens/agents of the Empire. Although I now want to know if Zack told their handlers about the dueling sphere’s vulnerability so it could be fixed.

Alex

Yeah, it was light and shadow. Zack and Allie. He planned to reveal that pretty much the first time they showed up, but people made so many fun theories that he let it stew for a while :) I didn't connect them to it too until their Ascension xD. It was them though. Allie teleported stuff, zack was ocd. They intercepted some message from the sects that light and shadow were coming, that's when they stopped doing spy stuff (cause they were helping out with the tournament) they also did some mission with stick and stone (Eric and Dena) sure their chapters, especially the first few gave a lot of misdirection and could've been interpreted as them being from another power or simply corporate spies, but it also works with path managers and spy mission handlers :D MLA did the same

Josh

Did you mean to say savory or unsavory?

Jonathan Campbell

Ok, I just went back to check, that whole thing makes practically zero sense if they were actually Light and Shadow, I get that the names and even the personalities match. But I definitely recall the duo talking or thinking about other assignments and how long they could take. If it was actually Light and Shadow it makes me wonder if I remember correctly or if that whole thing was massive misdirection.

Jonathan Campbell

I think this is showing that most of the public information is speculative in thinking that the whole blood awakening scandal was a ploy and that she was hiding her fire Talent.

Quixotic

Elizabeth Moore, a pyromancer warrior pretending to be a blood mage, daughter of two Royals. Shouldn't that be the other way around? blood mage pretending to be a pyromancer?

That was Light and Shadow they weren’t from another great power it was only made to look that way.

Jonathan Campbell

No these were a pair of spys from a foreign great power, it even went into detail about how they took great pains to make the enlarged spaces for their hideouts. They were the pair that I believe it was the guy who found the vulnerability in the dueling spheres to get the unfiltered view of what was happening regardless of if the participants choice to allow the real events be shown to the public or not.

James Faulkner

The OCD “crafter” was light and his female partner who antagonizes him is shadow lol

Mashiara

That Justinian part hit me hard in the feels. Good job

MikeL

No it seems right, as it’s meant to be Griff commiserating that he is wrong.

Jonathan Campbell

No I remember that bit, especially how they met up with Eric and Dena though at the time they were only called Stick and Stone though I already thought that's who they were before it was confirmed. 😁 I'm referring to the foreign spy duo also at their T10 tournament who also had a brief scene at the later tourney either when they went to see the sponsee circus pair or when they came back as Quill and Torch and appeared on stage with Queen, or both. The male spook is really OCD and apparently might have had some sort of crafting Talent while the female was extremely random and fly by the seat of your pants and did things like rearranging the pens and other little things to bug the crap out of his OCD. Also I think that he might have rigged her chair to dump her on the floor when she went to lean back or something like that. I'm not sure but I think they might have been Federation or Republic in origin.

Austin

Spy duo? From the tier 10 tournament? That was light and shadow... We've seen their reactions in the main chapters.

Arataumaihi

Ooooof. Justinian's made me tear up a little.

Mistfate

Really enjoying these side perspective chapters. It’s nice yo get reminded that all of these people exist, and getting to see their reactions is always fun. Still want to see what Talous thinks, but I would also love to see the other people from the kingdom v queendom stuff. The prince and princess, their subordinates and the like.

JonO

I would love a montage of characters who were important enough to be mentioned but not enough to merit more than a few sentences or paragraphs. Like Talous foamed at the mouth in shock. The junipers estate was found empty and ransacked as no one could find them anywhere, as if taken by a thief in the night. (You know cuz they suck and are afraid of vengeance mwahaha) Or the anchor lady from the tier10 tourney who badmouthed bonds turned in her letter of resignation immediately following the reveal and such lol

Jonathan Campbell

I'm really enjoying these, I can't hardly wait for that spy duo to react and for both of them to go positively apeshit in their own unique ways! I think if it ever gets included in future books or echoes that Griff and Jessica should have chosen to save enough of the wine and whiskey for each of their teammates and maybe their daughter to have just a small sip or two from each bottle. Just to make sure they know just how jealous they should ACTUALLY be, or even an edit to add that to their part of this echo when published.

Lucas

Great chapter! I forgot about his old girlfriend but loved the pov

Shmigit

Fantastic set of characters to highlight reactions for. I'm absolutely loving these side chapters. I'm looking forward to the reactions from the various Pather War participants, as well as the noble asshats from Liz's "coming of age" event.

David Stifter

You are not alone.

Luna_1001

I really hope Talous makes it in really want to hear even a small thing from him

MikeL

I’m sure when Miles tells the story, he will be “of course I remembered him, he even visited me once”

MinE

I remember tier fives can live around 200 years, 10s can live 700, and 14s can do 1440 years. Regular healing magic can extend the lifespan by a few years.

Dillon lay

This guys writing is just so good. The amount of joy you get from reading 276 was out of this world and it has been going great since. Summoner dude succeeding is a blast I wonder if we’ll see him in the MC chapters soon. I know torment could make unique use of the new skill.

Kelsey

In Griff's section, should "commiserate" be "commemorate"?

1FantasyFanatic

The end to this chapter was brilliantly written.

Nathan Sto

I remember that the people in minkalla were able to spend thousands of years at their tier without being at risk of death, so assumedly it's a very broad distribution.

Mantiqore

Really nice ending :)

Havokk

Okay I still really want to see the look of horror on the junipers, if they still live, faces when they realize Matt came from their planet and was a victim of the rift breaks, can you imagine the fear that and ascender may come for revenge for their lost parents... Id also love to see the reaction of the noble who at Matt and Liz's wedding implied Matt wasnt good enough for Liz and she was wasting herself

hachetnif

Thank you for the snippets is a lot of people that I love to see the reactions for some of these weren't on the list but they're good some of them were thanks

Violet

So, this is a really weird question, but what's the age distribution for people reaching Tier 10 and 15?

Patrick Schuldt

He is the mage who summoned the training beasts and the first 'training' planet after they got Luna. He shattered his spirit while trying to create a new skill. I'm not sure if its the same planet Matt experimented on Rifts with Kurt.

Wool

Minor catch: “The whisky smelled even better. Like fresh rain, fresh cut woody,…”. That sounds painful and bloody. 😂 I think you meant “fresh cut wood” or “woody”.

Hellhound

I love this chapter, it really puts everything into perspective to see everyone’s reactions to their ascension.

Sean Jennings

I had honestly forgotten that Jessica even existed. The I am my own Freedom guys concept and image really strike a chord with me.

Greg Lambert

I really enjoyed this chapter. .

Kelly Bryan

He got a tomato that would heal his current damage or could be saved to help make his next attempt less dangerous, doesnt seem like he used it.

Clay Smith

Yea that’s him. I remember he fought them in the 10 year as their masked identities and compared how Matt and Liz would get beat by them lol.

Alex

Talous. He only tried to annoy Matt though to bait him into a duel because Matt refused him every time he asked normally. He touched upon his concept the first time they fought and needed a second fight to form it.

Alex

After the vassal war, he was their first training stop with Luna. I reread the story a few times, but I still forget about him :) Erwin was just so much more memorable with the rift experiments. He had summoned beetles that they had to fight and Luna made them an obstacle course and stuff.

Bob Bryan

One reaction we still definitely need to see is that planet that was attacked by that enemy group that matt, Liz, aster, Luna helped protect. Wonder how they will react knowing matt lived through something similar.

Dion Crump

I love chapters like these. It can be really easy to get caught up on the OP powers of our MCs but these are touch grass moments. I remember all these characters and how they impacted Matt’s journey… except for Wragle, where did we meet him and who the heck is he?

Knightfire

My favorite not main character chapter ever. Jessica, Griff Matt hilarious

JaceNight

I assume that's all the information they have on Quill, Torch and Scoop. They're not taking into account the abilities of their actual personalities because those are supposed to be stuck at T15, and hide a lot. Also why would the empire allow for actual information to be on their profiles? Better to just hide it until they show it to the public.

Discordian23

Got my Crying with that ending. Shit hit me as hard as some one piece notes, I'ma need you to chill.

Keith Coffey

Thank you for the chapter :)

Alex

I love the reaction chapters so much. The rest of the story is fun too, but the reaction chapters are even better. So fun to read, I actually have to take breaks sometimes for laughing

Very satisfying chapter! Just one question didn’t Wrangle get a flower as payment for training them so he could use it to help form his new skill or heal him?

C_Mantis

yeah that was just how Miles read the situation

Alex

I want to see the Baroness of Lilly. Matt marrying a princess already threw her life into chaos a bit, but the connection to the royals was a couple steps removed. Now her planet is the birthplace of not just one but two Ascenders (and melinda, but she's secret xD) :D

Hectorbeserk

Somebody who helped train them right after the pather war

Alex

Ohh, she will probably regret it even more. She already got punished for it a bit and she did apologize, but this will probably drag it up for her a bit again xD

Alex

Makes sense. Blood magic is rare. I doubt there's an "official" version, but I believe the majority probably think that her fire is her real style. Even one of the other T50 leaders was wondering if the blood stuff was a lie, a talent that fucks up your bloodline is rare and the trauma cripples most of them. Much more likely that its fake and she got a fire talent to fit her bloodline. (from an outside perspective at least xD) I wonder what people will think of Matt. Can't have an Armour talent AND a talisman talent.

Alex

A lot of people think that her blood magic is pretend. She's way too good a firemage. Even JR(edit: just rechecked, not JR, Tobias, T50 of the monster collective) wondered if she lied about it and her fire stuff is the real part. Talents that block your bloodline are rare after all and those that get them often don't recover from the trauma and never even form a concept. Even Zack and Allie weren't sure which persona was the fake one, from an outside perspective, blood is more likely to be the fake part, fire is far more common and it fits her bloodline and she's a very good fire mage Edit: Now their progeny was just as impressive. He’d heard tell that Elizabeth had undergone a fairly unfortunate Awakening, having broken the connection to the element in her blood. Such things were blessedly rare for the trauma they inflicted, and few who underwent such experiences ever fully recovered. Most never even formed a Concept, their sense of self in such disrepair that they were forever barred from immortality should they even muster the fortitude to progress. He’d been proud of Elizabeth, for overcoming that and even reaching Tier 15 entirely of her own merits. But now he was somewhat uncertain if it was even true, or simply a cunning ruse to disguise her all-the-more potent fire magic. He doubted it was a cover-up, but he wasn’t certain yet. If she legitimately had Awoken a Talent largely barring her from all but blood magic, that made her accomplishment all the more impressive. A Concept and Intent before the age of 200 already spoke of a tremendous self-confidence and ability to know one’s proper place in the Realm, and to do so with a broken-off bloodline? Toby could only stand in awe at the girl’s resilience.

Eofad

I loved this! Every POV was great!

Clay Smith

So I think that is most of people I thought of to see their POV. The only couple we haven’t seen are the Royals from the Vassal War and the guy who fought with Matt and kept hitting Liz in the same war. (don’t remember his name) I will say my favorite one was Jasmine and I didn’t remember who she was for the first half of her section.

Eric Alex

I think Miles was assuming that blood couldn’t be her main style because it was so uncommon and not usually THAT powerful. I think this is an example of someone uninterested in the whole thing having information cascaded down, and interpreting it his own way. Like rumors about a celebrity, Marilyn Manson couldn’t have really have removed his ribs right?

Alex

Jasmine is right, many people from their early life are gonna be dead by now. The orphanage people, his old boss, they were all super low tier and had no interest in advancing further. It is fun to see "normal" people their age. They're usually surrounded by other Pathers, or at least people who made it quite far on the Path. Definitely disconnects you with whatever is normal. :D even Liz's older brother and his husband were already a match for them back at T14ish with a multiple tier deficit. Keith and Travis are T20 tops. And now his little sister is T25 already

Michael Rabe

I really hope we get that girl from the vassal war that Liz sent to the academy, where she then started working for Aster.

Zack

It felt like it was more that Miles interpretation was backwards instead of an error on Mantis' part.

Neil

This is great, it's nice to see such a significant event being treated as such, rather than a "that's done, now move on" attitude. I found Jasmine's part hilarious, it took the mention of playpen to recall her, but the moment I did I was excited for what was about to happen.

Abriel Blauer

I was wondering if this was voluntary or a lapsus: Elizabeth Moore, a pyromancer warrior pretending to be a blood mage, daughter of two Royals Liz is a Blood Mage pretending to be a Pyromancer. Was this voluntary, meaning even at the reveal they are hiding her true style ?

Azulmar

Great chapter. You forgot to have Wrangle use the plant Luna paid him with though😉

GuyWhoReadsALot

I'm really enjoying these echo chapters.

Alex

I want to see the Baroness of Lilly :) Matt already messed her life up when he married a princess, but that connection is three steps removed. Now that Matt is an Ascender though? Her life is gonna be a mess :D she can go commiserate with Cameron

Tommy

Mantis is the rare prog fiction author who weaves emotionally impactful beats into his stories 👍👏

Alex

Oh man, yes, that would've been perfect. Not sure she remembers it though, it wasn't anything weird when they last met, she was just a bit confused "yes, I'm still a fox"

Tommy

Ooof powerful ending, knowing what happened to Justinian. Fucking GREAT chapter! Thanks!

Namorat

Very satisfying! Two things: is how Miles described Liz the official version? Do people think she is just pretending to be a blood mage? Considering that she never used those powers openly, it feels odd to me. Plus, can someone remind me who Wrangle is? I cannot recall for the life of me.

Vayash

That reporter from the t10 tournament that suggested bonds were combat tools and arctic foxes werent that great. Wonder what this reaction would be.

Alex

Yup. Even griff barely remembered him. Matt was just one kid out of many. Jasmine remembering him makes sense, he was her first boyfriend, you don't forget that, but Miles only met Matt a couple times. Matt wasn't anything special. Wrangle remembers them, he was with them for a while and also met Luna through them, that's not sth you forget. He knows about Melinda too. Good enough to be somewhat memorable. I want to see the Baroness next :) she should remember Matt. He was just one of many when he first came back to Lilly before the tournament, but she was at his wedding, she knows he married a princess. The royals and an ascender attended his wedding. Not sth you forget.

William Johnson

Jasmine's bit was great she was only in the book briefly but that's definitely what I want to see in these side chapters, people who I've almost forgotten about and their take on the ascension. The other thing I want is lovely moments like Justinian's section, which was great and thank you.

Pararably

Practice does make perfect. You have become a truly excellent writer in the last few years.

The Grey Mage

Wrangle’s skill sounds super cool, I hope to see it in the future!

Havokk

each reaction was fantastic. Jasmine can lay claim to being the first real girlfriend to an ascender. Griffs reaction was as priceless as Miles realizing who Matt was. The fact that Wrangle used this to spur himself onto something great.. excellent. But the kicker has to be Justinians reaction "And now his heroes could be heroes for everyone." thats just damn good

Aurora1325

she would have but matt got her out of the recording to fast. this my head cannon

Aurora1325

i forgot who miles was.

Alex

No :( I want more xD the echoes chapters are awesome. Waiting for another week sucks :D

Gavin

Justinian's portion felt particularly poignant for some reason

Avery Aderyn

Justinian's bit made me cry.

MagicWafflez

I'm so glad that miles didn't remember him... so often main characters are the center of the world, and matt was such a small part of his life... it makes it so much more realistic

Bob Bryan

1 found out today pinot noir is a type of whiskey and not just wine. 2, glad we got to see jasmine perspective and it also put a lot into perspective as well. The only other people we've seen from their age group is team buckets. Seeing one who is almost normal was interesting. 3rd, aster should of asked Griff if he though she was foxy enough.

Orims

Fuck yeah, Wrangle! I was wondering how that crazy dude was doing, maybe Luna should grab him for a lecture or two again? And Justian's stuff was both sad and beautiful.

Vayash

I reread the entire story recently and still forgot who jasmine was. That was perfect. Griff was the best reaction yet. Miles made me a bit sad. I would love to see reactions from royals e in the vassal war and his opponents their, assuming those guys are even still alive.

Sezra_

Thanks a bunch! ʕ•ᴥ•ʔゞ゛

MikeL

This was a great chapter! THANKS. these were the top 3 I wanted to see, all in 1 chapter, nice!

Kasamuri

Thanks for the Chapter :-)

SodaBoBomb

Good chapter!

lockx

It's definitely a new echoes, and unrelated to the previous echoes

Mackay Buss

Haha! Suck it Griff!

lockx

Thanks for the echoes! Glad to finally read Griff's reaction 😂

Sam Irvine

Justinian’s one hit me so hard! Beautiful sentiment though, glad that character is finding their peace.

Alex

Took me a while to remember who Jasmine was.

C_Mantis

its the right chapter

Miguel Canarte

thanks

C_Mantis

no echo 1 and 2 were the epilogue and prologue but that was confusion so i started counting at 1 instead of 3

C_Mantis

no echo 1 and 2 were the epilogue and prologue but that was confusion so i started counting at 1 instead of 3

Avery Aderyn

Don't want to read until confirmation that this is the right chapter.

Observer Whimsy

Was this actually chapter 4? Title and other title don’t match

Avery Aderyn

Wrong chapter?


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