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Chapter 284

🕑 Added 2023-11-10 19:58:00 +0000 UTC

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Noah

Killer whale(orca) is more threatening and frightening to see let alone face than a shark would if I were to a comparison for this moment for Matt

Juli Freixi

Thanks a lot for the chapter C_Mantis!!

Nicholas Grey

No, the “minimum cost” is the set initial cost of 500 *and no extra “charging”* (which caps out at 100x initial). You can then charge it from there. There’s no indication that you can increase the initial cost. Just like there’s no indication you can cast a 10-mana fireball for 100 mana to make it bigger. That’s why spells have higher-Tier “versions” that have increased cost and increased power, eg [Jolt] -> [Bolt]. Exceptions like [Hail] and [Sheer Cold] have always been explicitly flagged. Matt's 1% is currently 410,000 (as his max mana is 41 mililion). He should have been able to pay 400,000 upfront

Donan The Barbarian

I think it's a case of minimum initial cost on regular [Breach] is 500 and then you can increase the spell to 100x the initial cost you used. So [Breach] at full charge is 50,000 mana if you used 500 mana as the initial cost but if you used say 200,000 mana as the initial cost you can charge it to 20,000,000 mana, now I think Matt's current 1% mana isn't 200,000 mana yet so he needs to use a mana stone to get above 200,000 in a second then he can cast [Breach] with most of his mana regeneration in the next second.

Nicholas Grey

"Matt swished his sword through the air, absorbing a mana crystal to begin his casting of [Breach]. [...] two million mana. Matt responded with a [Breach] twenty times that size, unleashed at the same time. " This runs directly counter to the description of [Breach] from Volume 3. "[Cracked Breach]. The Cracked effect drastically reduced the minimum cost for the skill[...] But the cracking made it impossible to further lower the cost. [...] Its original 500 mana base cost was reduced to 100, but it could then be charged up a hundredfold for added damage. With the Cracked version, which meant it could take up to 10,000 mana for a devastating long range attack." This clearly defines the un-Cracked version of [Breach] as: "Costs 500 mana. Can be charged *up to* 50,000 mana". There's no indication *in genera* that non-channel spells can be deliberately cast at higher cost/higher power, so Matt should never have needed to crack a mana crystal to cast it, and it certainly shouldn't have been able to be cast at 40 million mana (indicating an initial cost of 400,000, which is actually within Matt's 1% mana range anyway. This issue is potentially obviated with the use of an Upgrade orb, which inherently seems to include +cost/+power in addition to the bonus effects. Was this intended to be the case?

James Van Riper

The Empire, like all Great Powers who got a new set of Ascenders, wanted to be able to hold up their newest Ascenders and point to a victory just days after they finished the Path. So the other powers have ascenders too? I thin kwe have only seen spoiled lords so far. I dont think this was clear and I always wondered why they didnt create them. I see now that the real secret is the Empirors ability to search the best future to find those Ascenders and nurture them., So all that scheming of that Queen a couple chapters back was all TRUE!

MinE

I think the Republics thing was cybernetic augmentation. I think the feds thing is being crazy. P.s Wonder how long till they realize how crazy she is.

Neil

It's not great, but everyone T25 has lived more life than you or I can ever expect to, these probably aren't people with young children, but rather young great great-grandchildren. If I got to live that long at the cost of potentially being slaughtered in battle after a thousands years I would take it in a heartbeat.

Neil

In real life a medic is primarily going to be concerned with saving lives and preventing long term injury, and are not going to have a major immediate impact on the battle. A healer in this setting is literally bringing people back to combat readiness in seconds and only healing cooldowns and instant kills will prevent any team with a healer from being effectively unbeatable. So I'm not sure the rules make sense with magical healing. Taking into account the ability of T15+ of surviving and perfectly recovering from nearly any injury that doesn't instantly kill them if given the chance, and healers play a very different role here than they do in our world.

BurnNote

Plus, training. Luna doesn't like AI, so he wouldn't be using/training it that much for combat prediction, and his AI started at 0. It's not as good as it could be.

Sean Jennings

Better at individual combat prediction specifically. Not full information analysis. I'd imagine that there would be a lag if he was relying on his AI to make combat decisions because there would essentially be a mind telling another mind what it should expect, instead of just one mind taking in information and responding.

Fake Name

Yeah I'm thinking he needed mana in a fraction of a second due to higher tiers experiencing time during battle much faster

Darth Bayes

> Matt is far better than his AI This makes no sense to me. Matt's brainpower scales with his cultivation, but his AI scales with his _mana_, which is _absurdly_ greater.

MikeL

Now that I think about it, the Guilds are by far the least explored. It might be nice if MLA got to visit their Allies. Maybe they can help fight a battle in a shared system.

Joles

500K Mana for a 30/70 split

DisgruntleFairy

I'm intrigued that the Federations "thing" is that they explore cybernetic physical augmentations. The Sects are all about altering skills. The Monster Collective are all beasts, the Clans are all about teams (and elite gear), and the Corporations are all about combat suits. So that leaves us to wonder what the Guild and Republics "thing" is.

Evernap

First Aster turned a hurricane of spells and attacks into just a few barely mention able stragglers. Then primed Liz to start controlling the battlefield with blood by turning her summon into shrapnel. Slowed enemies down, made spells harder to create, use and land. Forced enemies to clump together so Liz could Tidal Wave groups. I agree some of her kit and attacks should be better explained and shown but she does a lot also.

Michael Maor

I don't actually like Aster, and I'd think it would be perfectly fine if she wasn't part of the team. My issue isn't "we don't see enough of Aster". My issue is that she's presented as if she's an equal member of the team, but when they actually fight she seems useless at best, or like in the fight with Light and Shadow actively hampering Matt and Liz (because Shadow was able to keep Mat and Liz locked up just fine until Aster was defeated, but not after that). David's explanation for why she shouldn't be a full member of the team makes perfect sense, and if the characters acted like that it would be fine, but if the characters act like she's a full member then we should actually be shown that.

David Oldfield

I say this because more casualties occur when armies are more closely matched in power. a healer working for both sides is almost a recipe for disaster, in that the fight will almost certainly end with both sides dead.

David Oldfield

I am curious. If I heal a soldier and send him back to the battlefield to kill enemies, is it not true that that soldier, is in reality, a weapon in my hand. If I can heal a million soldiers, but have only a thousand, than likely that thousand can become a million if I have the required resources? If a general is a viable target, than a healer that works for only one side is a target. Moreover, I sort of think that a healer that works for both sides is a bigger target.

Phoenix R

I agree that I'd like to see more time spent on Aster's contribution to this fight, but I cannot agree that her only actions in this chapter are *small* attacks. She took on multiple ships solo toward the end, and she destroyed a whole swath of troops with her combo attack right at the beginning. Plus, she also slowed and controlled enemies throughout. I wouldn't call all these things a small contribution.

David Oldfield

Michael, I too like Astor a great deal. but the reality is that she was configured into the team (truly) in the late game. She had half the time to find ways to fit into the team when they were using mask powers than everyone else, which means she had to find ways to be useful in that way while they were still on the path. Before she went to the school, she was "just a bond" no matter her experience, and not a public part of the Q&T image. And after school she became scoop, and they had to drive hard to disconnect Matt from Quill, Torch from Liz. Moreover, both of her teammates are perfect tanks, able to absorb damage on an unholy scale. Now, all three of them are unfettered, allowed to display their powers without reservation. And yet, Scoop has existed for some 75 years while Q&T have existed for ... what... like 160?

Dylan Alexander

I like that thought

David Oldfield

Honestly, the fact that the great powers exist is proof that they each have political weight. In truth, the Empire exists primarily because the Uncle Manny has a domain dedicated to sacrifice and service. It is similar I think, and perhaps intentionally, to the reality of the world. How well a thing works depends on how it is implemented, and those who are implementing them. There is an old saying... something about how likely it is for a cheater to make accusations of cheating. I sort of thing Mr. C. Mantis sort of animated that point. Lady who murderers many of her own citizens to inscribe their bones and turn them into freaks, will suspect that ascenders arriving prematurely are similarly created. Monster collective might have similar views, considering where much of there strength comes from. It is in our own nature to cast our own sins upon others, especially when they do it better than us. So ... in regards to Republic, Clans, Etc. and who is better... I think that very much depends on where the winds are blowing.

David Oldfield

Waters uses primarily his domain/willpower for the water manipulation, likely augmented with skills in a mage configuration. I can see the strength, however, I think a lot of people are forgetting that the domain uses willpower, which is cultivated in the same way muscles are built. Duke Waters of the now (in PoA terms) has had thousands of years to hone that willpower, competing with +4Tier cultivators, and I remember a reference to +7 rifts... though no specifics. There is little information within the series about his relative abilities at Tier 25, beyond him being a monster. Now Matt has a similar domain, in that it is dominant within his sphere and suppresses his opponents, and infinite mana. Both of those advantages will increase over his next 7-10 tiers of progression, even as Waters increased his own willpower. Also note, that people at T25 really don't need to breathe more than once a year or something. so he really must pit his willpower in much the same way as Matt, as well as actually manifesting water. In this respect, I suspect that he would have showed up at the defenses and chased everyone around for a few weeks, trying to get close enough for his domain to suppress them, even as he attempts to use the water in their own bodies to kill them.

MR105

I’m not asking for less combat, more integration between those two sides of the story. The last chapter was entirely made up of a few conversations about gear and this one was wholly combat - in both cases the pace sorta felt like it overstayed its welcome

Mario Morales

That dude is not real. He's the main character in an extreme OP MC story.

Tom Henman

Did we read same chapter?!

Michael Maor

I wasn't asking for her to send huge damaging spells, just to show that she was actually having an effect. THere was a single person ship that she helped destroy, other than that? Matt seemed to do everything with no support. The chapter was focused on Matt, which is fine, but there was still time to mention a few times the way Aster's debuffs made destroying the enemy easier if that was what was happening. Instead there was just repeated mentions of Matt being concerned she'd get hit.

Tristan R Mitchell

Aster is a Support Caster. She doesn't send the huge damaging spells, she sets up for the other party members to land the huge damaging spells. She slows the enemy, puts out Golems to attract the adds, buffs her allies, and so on.

Oni no chi

What I understand (Gamer terms) she was debuffing the enemy and was holding a concentration spell so her getting hit would mean that the enemy was no longer weakened

Michael Maor

This was a great and terrible chapter. Great -because taken on it's own the chapter was great and the battle scenes were exciting and very well done. It also does a good job of moving the plot , however Terrible - because once more we have Matt and Liz fighting an enemy with Aster not only contributing anything but needing to be protected. At least this time, unlike the fight with Shadow and Light you don't have defeating Aster make Matt and Liz suddenly become much more effective, but if Aster is supposed to be support, we should see her supporting Matt and Liz. Instead all we see is her toss a few small attacks that don't do much while Matt and Liz mow down enemies in job lots.

Dylan Alexander

I definitely see where you’re coming from and you make a lot of sense. Fuck it, let’s just all join the corporation. At least we all know it’s just about making money.

Havokk

@evernap I would also add to the suggestions list the Warformed series and wish upon the stars

JauPim

Personally, I don't think this fight will expose too much. The original cover was that Matt's talent was his armour skill. And if the other GP's manage to get info from the Playpen then they will see that Matt has had it from the beginning. It's also a very extreme crack which means it doesn't really resemble the original skill anymore and would be far too valuable for him to have been given without breaking the Path rules. Manny and Co have probably removed any mention of the skill shard being lost. The GP's will probably accept that the armour comes from his talent as the logical explanation. Matt has now upgraded his skill so this fight is the first the GP's will see of him since he reached tier 25. So his 'armour talent' now has its upgrade which will only make the story more believable. This means that the GP's will be working on the assumption that his talent is indeed focused on his armour, with the tier 1 being the armour and the tier 25 being the crystalising and mana aspecting. Which leaves the tier 3 as the wild card. And since the mana aspecting absorbs mana from incoming attacks they are more likely to believe that the tier 3 allows Matt to store the mana of incoming attacks for later use. If they learn that his tier 1 blocked mana cultivation then it might only further support this assumption as it would explain why he uses talismans and why he developed a mana granting concept, since his theoretical mana pool would be reliant on incoming damage. Just my thoughts.

NeverNaught

Replace dogs with foxes and you got it.

1FantasyFanatic

Can someone please give me a reminder of what a normal tier 25 soldier’s mana capacity and mana regen. are? We’ve spent so long with ascenders I have forgotten the stats of mere immortals.

Tommy

@Evernap Off the top of my head: Defiance of the Fall Primal Hunter Cradle I Shall Seal The Heavens Battlefield Farmer Beware of Chicken Threads of Fate Ripple System Mother of Learning All the Skills Mark of the Fool System Universe Hero of the Valley Shadow Sect A thousand Li A Will Eternal Martial World Some of these veer into full on Wuxia /Xuanhuan territory. Some are better than others!

Serran

I'll have to disagree on the Republic being better, though that is mostly depending on the guy in charge of the Empire being a good guy. The thing is, the Republic lies to it's citizens about stuff that is central to their organization. Large amounts of the "Republic" apparently don't even know they are part of a multiplanetary society. Until that part of the Interlude I was firmly of the opinion that the Republic was better, at least in general terms. However no democracy can work without the Voters being able to asses what they are voting for. If the lowest tiers don't even know that they are part of the Republic their Vote is most likely completely irrelevant for the larger society. I considered that there might be something of a Tiered voting system, as distateful as this would be for something that at least tries to be democratic. However given the way that even starting cultivation on the lowest tier Worlds depends on being lucky, finding something that is intentionally hidden and convincing someone to help you the entire Name is nothing more than a cruel joke. WIth that it is also not surprising that we got a Conspiracy Nut as Ruler of the Republic. She is running an incredible large, complicated and damaging conspiracy which I consider ver much horryifing. Sure there are even worse examples in the story. But the fact that there are worse examples doesn't make the "Republic" any better.

Evernap

Given that you read PoA and Jason's got any recommendations to read?

Evernap

Great comment.

Evernap

It's been mentioned time and time again that the enemies pore over battle data and pull from every Talent and skill to make perfect counters. So they have to constantly fight blind while all their tricks slowly get revealed and countered more and more. Specific kill squads will be made. Reread the L&S fight vs Dao Child Maven in CH. 255

Evernap

L&S obviously aren't slouches in stand up fights and power. (being ascenders) Shadow could make every attack miss and every hit hit. High dagger dmg so probably one shots most of her enemies. Remember they were surprised when only Torch was effected by the daggers. L would take every spell against him and steal the mana and target weaknesses with little mana expenditure. Both M&L have significant mana control so L being able to easily counter their spell work would be worse against the avg soldier.

Evernap

Usually you know what abilities people use and the avg mana cost then range of cooldown/efficiency usually possible. So either Matt could be using lot's of mana, high efficiency, pre charged Talismans, etc. Either way it is obvious there was a significant mana expenditure. Also they are no longer fully trying to hide Matt's power just the full extent.

SodaBoBomb

Duke Waters would've showed up in the system and barely had to move as the entire enemy army drowned where they stood.

SodaBoBomb

Artillery is insignificant next to the power of the Dark Side.....wait....I mean Ascenders!

Alex

Reactions are always the best xD

Alex

Yeah. But they live in a world where everyone T15+ is virtually immortal. Wars are population control. War is terrible, but I'm pretty sure joining the army is voluntary in every great force. Nobody forces anybody to fight. Hell, if you want you can even be an independent and just be done with politics forever. They all chose this life.

Alex

Yeah, killing should weigh on them. They've done it before, but this is on a bigger scale. It does help that I'm pretty sure the army is voluntary in every great power. That means they all chose to be there. Truthfully I doubt most of them are bad people, just soldiers doing their jobs, trying to protect their home on both sides. But they knew the risks when they signed up. Killing them to make sure they don't kill others on the empire side. And the empire didn't start the war after all. That gives them the moral high ground (though the other forces probably have their own propaganda machines working to convince their people that the war was necessary to stop the big bad empire from killing them all)

Alex

Killing combat healers is fine, you're not allowed to target aid stations. It was the same in the Pather War. Melinda was fighting as a team healer and thus she was fair game to the enemy.

Alex

Mana regen intent :)

Alex

Yeah, I don't like that you have to go into serious debt to be allowed to awaken. Maybe not force it on people, fine, but at least make it an affordable option for the poor. Reminds me of Matt all the way back, working for over a year so he can go afford a single rift slot. That sucked too. But yeah, overall, long term the republic is probably more stable than the empire. I prefer the empire as it currently is, but all that central power means one bad ruler can do so much more damage than in the republic. But a good one can also do a lot of good. The fact that each Emperor is on the Throne for 30K years and the emperor can't really be assassinated (Emmanuels grandma killing her previous emperor being the exception) and them having the power to beat everyone up even without the need for armies also makes them a lot more stable than Earth empires. Mortals at least live good lives. Overall the sects are the worst I think.

Alex

What else is there though? Conversations is kinda a broad term for anything non combat. And they are Ascenders, their whole purpose is combat. Makes sense they do it a lot. (I love the reaction chapters more though :D but they would kinda fall under conversations too)

Bob Bryan

Yes and no. The next war is more important because it will be a true everyone in war but winning here will give them an edge. Plus matt and the rest all need training now for that war. So it's important but the upcoming war this one leads to is crucial because it will be no holds bared. Plus if they find out his talent to soon, that would be very bad.

James Faulkner

That’s what I was thinking. He doesn’t need a refill, unless it’s a %of a second to cast

David Oldfield

I think Vietnam proved a few points in this regard. Sometimes you need to lean on Uncle Pragmatism. After all, under the right conditions, a good healer can turn 10 enemies into 500 enemas, and enemas must be avoided at all costs.

David Oldfield

Liz is Legion. Mat is almost invulnerable. Aster can treat a battlefield like a particularly annoying game of 3D Tetris and manage a high score. I'll sit by your comment and drink a Heineken, because both sound interesting, and the truth of it is manifestly obvious.

SilasDrekken

She's more than a little paranoid. She's a full-on tin-foil clad "The chemtrails are turning our frogs gay!" conspiracy nut.

Sean

Do people have a sense of how much Mana is used in attacks? Because I feel like when you suddenly see a flood of possibly a billion Mana in a fight there has to be some kind of trace of it.

David Oldfield

T&Q, L&S, were all stacked gimmicks. The mask was more than physical. It was personality and power as well. The reason I bring this up is, as I said in another comment recently, longevity will always overpower strength, so long as skill is involved. If I can crush cement with a single punch, it doesn't matter so long as you can dodge my punches, and last long enough. And I think that is the real truth about war. Even with both numbers and tactical superiority, there is a quality to endurance that nothing can overcome. Any team with Matt is guaranteed to overstay its' welcome.

Dylan Alexander

The empire in 40k are xenophobic cunts. But I mean that whole Universe in general is just a sadistic mess haha. But I mean even the empire in this world is still an empire. And empires in general will always end up doing some pretty dark stuff. Look at the British Empire, we invented labour camps for ffs. Among other horrendous things.

Mario Reiman

As I Was reading this chapter I was thinking of the warhammer 40k human faction. The mech implants, dictatorship, servitors and other horrors in the name of preserving their empire.

MR105

I like getting some combat again, but I do wish it wasn't only combat. Makes the story feel really slow when each chapter is only combat or conversations.

David Oldfield

Really, you rather demonstrated that the fastest way for him to refill his mana pool is to empty it, right? I mean, can't he simply surge all of his remaining mana to his chip, and instantly have more? Hell, at this point, he can fill any number of channel spells with "all of his mana" and then up the charge to max immediately. That said, on a war footing, it is difficult to remain near friends, and he is finally moving into mana quantities, and possibly concentrations, beyond his tier by a great deal. Seems likely that he can manifest (Or MANAfest) crystals for his allies in advance, in case he is elsewhere?

David Oldfield

Pretty sure that even basic intel gathering will turn up Matt's mana concept, Quill's inspiration at Minkalla, Tournament failures about Quill "throwning money at it", Liz's blood affinity, most everything about Aster, and the changes to Matt's """"ARMOR TALENT"""". They will target Aster, because MLA made such a big production out of protecting her, while both showing clear signs of invulnerability. Pretty sure Gen. Darrow will raise the issue and Luna will pound it home. The next battle, enemies will seek to exploit a vulnerability that was corrected. If I had to guess, Aster will likely take the form of a Liz clone, protecting a Liz clone that is shaped like Aster.

Dylan Alexander

I see your points, and yeah fuck the federation. I honestly the republic is probably the best out of all the nations even if there current leader is a little paranoid and has a little hero complex.

Dylan Alexander

He’d actually be fine even if the empire lost this war. This war isn’t all that important as mentioned by the Emperor, it’s the one after that matters.

David Oldfield

Pretty sure a PoA version of the game would be VASTLY more entertaining.

David Oldfield

words are two dimensional. Life is omni-dimensional. Each aspect of life builds upon others, creating dimensions that do not typically exist in regular perception. It really is the reason that humans have such varied and unpredictable personalities. The very chemicals in our bodies can change our choices at times, or some long forgotten childhood trauma can cause us to make a decision that we do not fully comprehend. My point, with all of this, is to say that any scene... P.O.V, Fight, Train, Recreation, etc.; they are all valuable in creating a bigger picture, and that picture makes the rest better.

Bob Bryan

That's understandable on that. Also I agree that I don't want them to be killing machines, but I don't think they will be. This is a battle field and kindness gets you killed there, always does. How they act after the battle is important. How they will react to civilians will definitely be important. They are fighting soldiers who knew what they signed up for. Plus don't forget everyone here is above tier 15, they don't go down easy. They can regrow lost body parts, organs, etc. They need to hit them this hard or they won't go down. Ripping someone's limbs off wouldn't even count as a flesh wound here. For lack of a better term no one here is sqisuhy anymore, they are immortals and what needs ro be done to stop that would appear brutal for anyone who is below that tier. We are tier 0's watching a tier 25 war. So I don't think we need to fear them becoming killing machines. The empire wants ascendors not monsters thankfully, unfortunately those murder machines are being created in the federation. That, unfortunately, is where those fears are unfortunately true.

David Oldfield

If you remember, back during that ascender war at T-6, Matt made it known that he had the mana concept, and his team had greater longevity in a fight than others. Also, during the tournament, ascenders realized that he spent certain hours at a community hub, helping ascenders to recharge their mana... while Quill was accused of infusing money into his success due to the mana requirements of making talismans. Assuming that the enemy is not stupid, and has a decent intelligence gathering apparatus, They will almost certainly surmise that Matt has a domain that supplies mana regeneration based on personal proximity to him, that his inspiration at Minkalla improved it, and his intent made it near infinite. They will also assume, rightly to an extent, that his manager believed that such a domain would solve the most important problem soldiers and ascenders had, which was endurance. If I am more powerful than you but that only lasts a few seconds, you need only dodge a few attacks and I am helpless. If his domain generates mana for himself and his teammates, then his manager would help them to build off of that first because it helps them grow faster even has it helps them to last longer. Also, his armor has very publicly changed since he completed the path, which reinforces the idea that the armor is his talent.

Dylan Alexander

Again, I never even suggested an alternative. Please read my comments again. I know the war was inevitable. All I can as saying is that I don’t want our protagonists to devolve into mindless killing machines. Killing machines with some empathy hopefully. Them killing thousands of soldiers in such brutal ways is just hard for me to read that’s all. With what’s going on in todays world it’s just a little triggering.

Bob Bryan

I don't think we have to worry about him enjoying it to much. They already killed others in MInkalla. If Matt had his way he would be making new rifts and technology. Liz would be doing alchemy etc. Both would be making Mata and Leon happy having kids and aster would be making new ice cream flavors. It's just they know the stakes. If you show an enemy mercy on a battlefield, you end up dead. If the enemy wins matt at best becomes a living mana battery FOREVER and Liz and aster probably become trophies. Not to mention all the death and destruction over the empire as a whole. So it's less they enjoy it and more know the price of failure. War is hell but it's not the worst hell.

David Oldfield

There was a comment in a recent chapter claiming that he fought up 7 tiers once, but that might have been a typo. Either way, I have seen evidence that he can take down 6 elites at +3-4 tiers pretty fast, but nothing in that last chapter specified that everyone was EXACTLY T25. Remember, they are allowed to supply +1-4 Tiers in that fight, which is far more likely for the commanders than it is for the rank and file. Considering the benefits provided by the tiers, it is likely that he curb-stomped all of them (who were likely selected with the idea of putting down ascenders), in less time than it took us to read about it. What I gather about D. Waters, is that his domain, and especially his willpower, is the next thing to unassailable. After all, even the human body has a lot of water, which may in fact may well belong to him when he presses upon it. That said, Water is a patient adversary that erodes over time, while Matt is a nuclear plant in a field of solar collectors. While it is possible that he is straight up stronger (tier for tier) than Matt, though I doubt it, I am pretty sure the massive mana production just smote the scale.

Bob Bryan

No, from the enemy that started this. The empire didn't declare war, they are in the empire defending their home. You can't have mercy like that on a battle field. You do, your the one who dies. They already did this in minkalla if you forget. Do you think the people they are fighting wouldn't act exactly the same way. If they don't fight matt gets thrown in a box for the rest if his life and Liz and aster share a very dark fate most likely along with countless innocent lives and military personal slaughtered by their enemies. THAT is the alternative to war.

John Anastacio

Healers can be and commonly are killers in this setting. Like the combat healer Bulwark or the many healers SLAM fought in Minkalla, or Soddus of the Monster Collective. Healers who only heal do exist and that's where healer stations come into play, but often a combat healer is just a killer with a healing spell or two.

John Anastacio

Shadow gives perfect mobility and range to her team and Light can steal and subvert the mana of others the way Liz steals and subverts their blood, so I figure Light and Shadow do fine in large engagements. Shadow just has to teleport them rapidly from place to place in sequence as opposed to the way MLA dominates from a relatively fixed position.

Dylan Alexander

I never even suggested an alternative. I just said I didn’t want them to shrug off killing thousands of people. At the end of the day from every other nations view they see the Empire as the antagonists even if it wasn’t them who started the war. Now the federation and sects are some of the worst nations out there for sure, no nation is perfect even the empire. It’s just hard to read our protagonist become such merciless killers. Monsters are one thing but when it’s your fellow man? That’s something else entirely.

John Anastacio

quote from above: They were led by a woman with cannons replacing her hands, the one responsible for the pink and blue spells he’d noticed, but a full ten people swooped from the command ship. One was surrounded by a flock of golem-birds, three had swords integrated into their arms, another had metal tendrils extending from the base of their neck, and all of them had well-maintained and fairly potent gear. my comment: I wonder if the 'ten people' depicted above are like the 10-person death squads SLAM met in Minkalla, designed and indoctrinated by Virgil. If so, MLA has come a long way since then - they killed them easily instead of having to fight hard and desperately.

Bob Bryan

Okay but what is the alternative? Is war brutal yes, but if Matt and them didn't do that to their enemies it would be done to their allies and civilians. The feds, sect and republic could all just go home, end of war, no one dies. They are not, that's on them. Don't blame Matt and the rest for the hand they were dealt. What alternative would you suggest? Also enough of that bull about collateral damage. If farmers decided they wanted to put something in their crops how much collateral damage do you think they could cause? How much collateral damage do politicians cause daily for their greed? Could Matt and them hurt people, yes obviously but they wouldn't. I am tired of that bs argument.

Mister Cakers

The latter could even be used to accuse Matt as being a fake ascender.

Mister Cakers

I’m wondering what the other great powers will assume Matt’s talents and power set is. They’ll likely still believe he has an armor talent, and that he’d applied it to his bulwarks much like Light thought during their fight. But the sheer amount of mana being used will likely need a lot more excusing. They’ll have to either assume his mana regen concept has grown to allow him to power such things, or maybe that his intent could maybe empower skills he casts? Otherwise they’d think he wasted an unreasonable amount of mana stones.

Meyster

He'd do it quicker, Duke Waters is fighting up 4 tiers and killing quicker still

David Oldfield

Hmmm... I am thinking that Tier 25s from all the great powers are practicing the sacred art of "Shitting Themselves". I really hope you do a P.O.V bonus of people (both allied and enemy) who get to watch that fight. Considering it was only possible due to a monstrously prodigious amount of mana, I can't even imagine Duke Waters could best thousands of like tier opponents that quickly.

Mashiara

Nice. The kiddie gloves are off. As I was reading this, a quote that perfectly encapsulates this chapter was this: "Cry "Havoc" and let slip the dogs of war!" I am also looking forward where MAL finds someone of their level with no restrictions

Chris Fey

Real world war crime. Killing medics is against article 25 of the Geneva Convention

DasGoat622

Also if that was the case wouldn’t every army just have healers spread out through out the fighting army so they could claim war crimes were committed during the fighting. Those weren’t healers they were combat healers. I think there’s a distinction.

DasGoat622

It would be nice to how this stacks up against battles that Light and Shadow were in. MLA seem tailor made for large scale confrontations where as what saw from L&S was more of small unit skirmish with elites. I’m aware that any ascender should have the abilities to handle this it just seems that MLA are perfect for this situation. It would be interesting to see them enter a series of l battles where the armies get bigger with the enemy hoping to find the army large enough to stop them.

DasGoat622

I don’t think there will be much of a negative impact on them. They know what they are about and understand the level of power at which they operate. Given the nature of Matt’s talent it would be hard for him to not know what happens when he enters a battle field. He is also a believer in the Empire and what it stands for and the armies he facing are invaders and he has experienced directly the results of that invasion. I wouldn’t worry about him having misgivings I’d be more concerned with him enjoying it too much.

MikeL

I really want a chapter with just the other GP’s reports on what they think MLA talents are. They must be really confused.

Allen

Loved the chapter! They came to make a statement, and I believe the message was received.

Melody Haren Anderson

I think she has a few times put her blood into someone to... make their life short and very painful. But seems like only that blood was hers till they died. Just they had blood they couldn't stop messing things up in their body. It's possible she can get there with more time. Perhaps some sort of twisting of blood sprite?

Dylan Alexander

War definitely changes people. Imagine slaughtering thousands, tens of thousands and walking away with a clear conscience. We better not see that here.

Violet

I think I'll really appreciate this chapter in a few months, when the horrors of war aren't already overwhelming me. For now... Damn. That was brutal.

Violet

Oh, this is going to fuck them up horribly over time. But they've been (for lack of a better term) groomed for this position for nearly two centuries and the Empire has had Ascenders aplenty before. Luna will have prepared them, and the military will have resources devoted to ensuring their superweapons don't break.

Fozzy

I so misread this. I immediately thought, of course he can swap with any Liz. Why wouldn't he?

Violet

Remember those statues and how Matt didn't recognize them? He will soon.

Phil

A good fight scene shows off the progress made in training without overstaying it's welcome or becoming rote. At least in my eyes. I've never been as much a fan of combat so much as I am of characters getting a chance to express their progress and seeing people's reactions to it.

Havokk

Am I the only one who wile re reading this keeps hearing Mortal Combat in the background?? "It Has Begun" "Fight" "get Over here" "Finish Him" "Fatality" "Flawless Victory"

Hozukimaru.ext

This is the best chappie of PoA yet

Jason Hatter

Pretty sure it's the one wearing the ring, since the ring is the source of the effect

brennon Petersen

Tftc!

Dylan Alexander

Ascenders are literally elite killers. Could you imagine the collateral damage they could cause? The way Liz just casually gouges someone’s eye out too…it’s a brutal universe they live in that’s for sure.

Babasola Osikoya

I agree. It was hard to read.

Bob Bryan

For some reason or other I'm hearing a woman Hercule shouting "it'd just a trick" in my head.

Bob Bryan

They will probably try. Launch a huge number of soldiers at matt to see where is mana pool cuts off at. It will be helpful for thr empire if Matt and the rest cut down 5 battlefields of enemies without having to pay for spacefare.

Wrathwind

This is what I want to see an echos chapter reaction of.

Baconater

Man, this makes me upset. You keep making me switch my opinion on if I like fight scenes or training montages better. I want to say I love training montages but then you pull out a chapter like this and I say fights. Then you do a full gear setup or new spells and I say oh yeah, training. Stop making me confused!!!

Azulmar

Good chapter. I think we all needed to see MAL curb stomp some feddies.

Markus

It is as Light or Shadow mentioned in a earlier interlude. They can show their fighting skills, it is their strategic usage of the skills that need to be secret. Matt's society scale mana regen, global teleport to every corner of the empire, instant regeneration for elite tropes. That is what is needed to be kept secret. That Matt can use large attacks in battle is fine to show off.

Havokk

The Empire news will be running headlines about the Three newest ascenders breaking a siege by themselves on a constant stream for sometime. and anyone who questions Asters place as will definitely have to rethink their position. I really want to see president Janets reaction to this I expect she will start falling further into madness as she screams about "The End of Realm"

Havokk

The healers were in an active combat zone. IIRC the rules about healing that were created after the Harvest Moon incident are specific to healing stations which would be setup to heal those pulled from active combat rather than those who were working to maintain and actively engaged force

Dion Crump

They aren’t anywhere near as young as Jason, this isn’t their first war, and they do have regular mental health counsel

IAN A WILSON

Ngl I'm more excited to see the reactions of everyone (both friends and enemies) to this battle, then I was of the reactions to them being ascenders. Pretty sure this is the first battle in forever where all restrictions are truly off. Sure they didn't fight at 110%, but they weren't limited either

James Faulkner

Take it up with the Geneva Suggestion 😎

Evernap

It's why I believe the Emperor was setting up meetings using the dragons blood. To affirm support for him

Evernap

They're probably gonna chalk it up to an exploit with the whole Ascender team buffing the one attack/array.

Evernap

Next chapter huge Naruto style brawl between all the clones for the One Ring!

Chris Fey

Warcrimes included here are deliberately targeting healers….

Evernap

Eh. War propaganda is pretty strong and both sides see the deaths not as wastes but as spent protecting others.

A B

I was going to say Liz is bloody scary, then Liz and Matt, then Liz, Matt, and Aster are a bloody scary whirlwind of endless doom for their opponents. Feel like that's still understating it, but I stand by the comment.

Thomas Brusilovsky

Hot damn

Tommy

I get that the enemy is the enemy. But I hope they get some mental health support / healing to deal with having slaughtered thousands of people, even if they are the bad guys. Not to the extent of HWFWM cos that would be tedious 😂

Dylan Alexander

Absolute ruthless killers. Think about all those soldiers who will never get to see their families again. War is horrendous.

Keith Coffey

That was a beefy chapter, amazing way to show immediate impact of the ascenders

Alex

For every other Ascender I would agree. Once they become Ascenders it's fine to show their true capabilities. But Matt's talent is gonna spark a true war when it goes public. That's bigger than what they're fighting for right now. They have to be ready. That means controlling when his mana talent goes public.

Alex

Mattery :) that just to be the name that Rusty was super proud of.

austin kutz

Don't forget about Waters. He's got perfect power for tier 35 combat to the point that no one can challenge him. It's almost as if all the other Great Powers are being forced to break the rules

Kenneth Dennis

This was a fantastic warfront debut.

C_Mantis

it lets him refill his mana pool so yes. That was the idea.

Luciaron

I wonder who the other power can pull out to face these guys, because numbers just ain’t going to cut it

Bunny Waffles

Like they said long ago when the Emperor found out just how busted those talents were, that is both a boon and a calamity for the Empire. A boon because that is utterly amazing and gives them a massive boost, no matter who the opposing factions resources/talents might be. A calamity in that it gives the Empire such an edge, especially in the future, that it might cause literally every other faction to band together against them to crush them before they can fully realize the insane growth of the future so long as they survive.

David Harr

It’s past time for that. The masks are off and everything is in play. They will do their best to obfuscate things, but Matt is not going to put himself at a disadvantage by not using all his abilities to the max.

mitchell kaiser

Fantastic chapter! Can’t wait to see the reactions from the opposing commanders/ leaders. Love to see them finally in the thick of things though. Can’t wait to see more!

1FantasyFanatic

Sweet!

James Faulkner

Tftc! Also is the purpose of Matt absorbing his crystals just to supercharge his own spells in a shorter amount of time?

Sezra_

Thanks a bunch! ʕ•ᴥ•ʔゞ゛

Aurora1325

mattery

Andrew K

Based on last chapter, she has to give up any blood out of her spiritual range, so she'd be limited to only relatively local drops rather than those in other star systems (though IIRC, at higher tiers, some nearby systems might be in range).

Discordian23

It was a Talisman! :)

Discordian23

We need to put Liz's Blood in Matt's Gosmer Hand.

C_Mantis

they have to be in range to prevent that exploit

Wes

A 40 million mana Breach will probably send the other Powers reeling. They are definitely going to investigate him more now. Even if they can't guess exactly what his talent is, showing that much power probably just put a much bigger target on his back. Love it though. Bring em all on

Jeppe Fiig

Perfect healing, Unlimited mana, Instant deployment. That is some serious advantages held by the empire

Derze

Technically , his Intent is shielding him from divination , plus everyone will think most of his armor and some exploits are clever use of talismans and other upgrades/ items. You have to remember Liz and aster also have ways to passively steal health and mana from kills/enemies so it wouldn’t be far fetched to think his armor is also doing something similar. (Just like Light Does).

MikeL

I’m guessing only near the other ring, or he would be able to swap with any drop of Liz’s blood.

Alex

Allie is truly having a great impact. Logistics matter a lot in war, especially on this scale. Cutting down on travel time means they can do soooo much more.

MissingP_rt

Do Liz's blood drops have to stay in range of her Spirit to maintain the 'resurrect from a single drop' effect or could she have what effectively amounts to a phylactery back at base?

Alex

Yeah, but she's not normal. Normal people think about what is actually possible based on millions of years of history :D Allie doesn't care that it shouldn't be possible

William Johnson

Man, folks who were thinking Liz's blood mage thing was a cover are going to be so confused. So Liz is all of her blood does that mean Matt can swap with any of her clones, or just the one with the ring?

Abriel Blauer

Well, Allie McStabby, AKA Shadow, did guessed it.

Derze

Bruh

Abriel Blauer

Damn I liked it

Mathias Eriksson

Carnage !! :D

Alex

And I guess him having a couple thousand times more mana regen than a T50 mage is just so absolutely crazy and unbelievable that nobody will actually guess it

Joshua Jernigan

Well it's publicly known that Matt has a mana regen concept with the new knowledge of who his manager was and the minkalla cycle they went in it gives a lot of wiggle room for it

Joles

Shit that felt gooood to read

Spearman

Terrible ascender title idea for Matt: Mana Matt

Michael Younger

My reading of it is it has to be blood filled with her essence which means she would have to take control of it first and i recall her being unable to do that while it was still inside an opponents body.

Raymond Horn

That was great! I am curious though, when you said that every drop of blood would need to be destroyed does that also include blood inside someone's body? I assume when it comes to enemies blood she would need to overcome their will/domain to be able to claim their blood, but if Matt were to keep a single drop of her blood stored in his body or even just have some way for her to bypass his defenses and use his blood in an emergency doesn't that mean she wouldn't ever be without an endless blood source?

Alex

Sooo... Not hiding his mana?

John Rogerson

I need a cigarette after this chapter

Bob Bryan

I believe that is a sufficient hello.

Fake Name

I, really, really really, want to see the reactions to this.

Tftc!

R.M.

Nice

Miguel Canarte

thanks

william wallace

Woohoo


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