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Chapter 285

🕑 Added 2023-11-13 19:58:00 +0000 UTC

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Daniel Hogan

Endless - Matt Eternal - Li Eclipse/Expanse/Empress - Aster?

Juli Freixi

Thanks lot for the chapter!!

It does not do you any favours to make paragraphs about random jargon terms that we have no idea what they mean. Make explanations consistent with information we have or information we will get later.

Ties

Matt - Eternal = eternal on the battlefield Liz - Endless = there is an endless amount of her Aster - Enthropy = it's what shes going for with her domain

Eidetic Eidolon

What was Aiden's name when he was wearing a mask, before he got outed by that one guy? Also, the names don't need to fit. And Light & Shadow do not fit them at all. It fit Shadow when she was on the Path and pretending to have arbitrary limits, but even then, it never fit Light. And it doesn't need to fit. It's a name, not a descriptor. Torch and Quill are beyond descriptors now. When I think about Quill, I don't think about a guy whose identity must revolve around talismans. I just think of it as Matt's Ascender name. If in thousands of years, people think why is Matthew Alexander's Ascender name Quill...and are then forced to search it up on their AI, so what? Weird names with interesting back stories are the best. I don't remember if Lila Worldwalker had an Ascender name that was different, but I do remember that it wasn't Sand-Spitter or Sand-Swimmer. Worldwalker doesn't exactly describe her power set, and no-one cares. On another note, Waters or Duke Waters is a lame ass name. But it's not because Duke Waters is a badass.

Phil

I mean Aiden wasn't known as Duke Waters until he became an Ascender and duke with mastery over water. Light and Shadow kept their names because even after revealing their full capabilities the names still fit. For Liz and Matt, Torch and Quill don't really fit anymore. Maybe something like Bloody Torch and Boundless Quill would be more fitting? I could see those modified monikers sticking and also matching their new image.

Eidetic Eidolon

I get that Scoop isn't the best name, and if she wants to change it, she should. Quill & Torch are already great and shouldn't be changed. They have history, plus everyone already knows them as Quill & Torch. A world-famous person just up and changing their widely recognized mononym just doesn't work. Just look at "the artist formerly known as Prince." If you feel the need to change Scoop's name, then go ahead. But don't ruin the great grandiosity that already is Quill & Torch. Just the idea of thinking up snazzy names that go together is dumb. Which is why Quill & Torch were so great already. They have nothing to do with one another, but they still roll off of the tongue well together.

Jana

True but Matt just laserbeamed that ship for more than 100 times what a normal flagship cannon shoots and while it is possible to do that at T25/26 it’s so expensive that one might question the legitimacy if it happens more than just a few times.

Alex

Nobody is stopping the other great powers from giving a shitton of Manas tones to their troops. It's just ruinously expensive.

Jamie Trevino

Ascender Null (Aster) Ascender Infinite (Matt) Ascender Unity (Liz)

antitankcat

So speaking from a conceptual point of view combining Blood and Fire to make alchemically complete life would only lead to immortal creatures something Liz herself had to ascend 15 years to become, so if your making life from scratch it has to be capable of death and therefore should include elemental Death.

Jana

So, if Matt keeps pumping out Spells with 500 million mana, how long will it take till Someone accuses the Empire of punching down Tiers?

James Townsend

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolightning Found it, apparently it turned inorganic matter into organic matter

James Townsend

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere, maybe pseudoscience, but lightning is apparently how life was first created with single celled organisms. Apparently there's some sort of experiment you can do that documents it

Kelly Bryan

Thats mirrors my thoughts and I really want to see the argument it would spawn between those two loons.

wanderer117

It was a supply convoy like he had hoped, but the target was a rich one. should be It was a supply convoy like he had hoped, and the target was a rich one.

Havokk

For Liz's Blood Fire problem Im in love with the idea of lightning being the last component. With that she would be taking things from both Mara and Leon and making it her own. And I think that Leon and Mara would be over the moon at that

Acidionis

Salvation - Fire and Blood both have deep meanings into salvation and her path is set by her need to be saved from her past.... Permanance - I mean....its Matt Exalted - Fits the royalty theme Aster is following

DasGoat622

Nulla, Nihil, Nil are all Latin words for zero (according to google) Matt is zero because he is the center of all battle so like 0.0 on a grape. Aster is zero because see is seeking absolute zero from a temperature perspective. And Liz is Zero because she is the genesis of life, Blood and Fire

DasGoat622

In general combat I would suspect yes because the talisman were always meant to cover up his spells and mana regen. As was mention early I think he will shift from small talismans for is main attack to large scale attacks or specific functions like the void armor he used on that battle planet around Tier 20. Also I don’t know if his enchanting has kept up with his progress as they spent a lot of the last few tiers in Rifts where he didn’t need to hide his power. So I don’t know that his talismans are at the level of his general combat abilities.

Silver Beard

Wondering what the ship could have that would justify the expense of the mana used to take it out. Sure it's war, but overkill is a thing too.

Kelly Bryan

Its fine to think that. Except for Mara being a very fine Queen of Beasts and weve seen how she behaves. And Aster's student council time at least indicate she has sides we dont see all that often.

Aelia Aeldyne

Lycoris for Liz, after the spider lily flower (and its imagery of being both blood-red and the only flower that grows on sites of slaughter) Nidavellir for Matt (I think the imagery of a cosmic forge powered by a neutron star fits him) Harbinger for Aster (because she brings the end)

austin kutz

Ubiquity doesn't really work for blood, tbh. Is it really necessary to match the first letters?

Matt (Inexorable), Liz (Sanguine), Aster (Cryos/ Cryogenic)

Violet

His two Domain elements are both singularities. That's what a white hole and black hole are.

Haikaiko

LPT: if you see a guy firing off 500,000,000 mana [Breach]es like it ain't no thang: run. Death Pro Tip: or don't, your funeral.

Haikaiko

Brahma the Creator (Liz with her blood), Vishnu the Sustainer (Matt and his neverending mana), Shiva the Destroyer (Aster.) Bonus because Lord Shiva is normally associated in pop culture with vain beautiful women and powers over ice.

Jonathan Campbell

Sanguine, Ouroboros, and Kelvin

CringeWorthyStudios

Yeah, exactly! Or maybe Endless, Eternal (for Liz) and Entropy (for Aster)? Endless, Undying and Inevitable? I think those are the three aspects you have to play up. Matt won’t ever stop, Liz won’t die and Aster is the cold void at the end…

Lucas

Beam, flood and frost

Haikaiko

Luna stared at Matt expectedly, waiting for him to break the silence. "So I need your help." "Well, Well, Well." "I know, it's unusual for me to seek you out, but --" "No. That's my suggestion for your Ascender titles. You're a wellspring of mana, Elizabeth is a wellspring of blood, and Aster is a wellspring of cold. Well, Well, Well." "It's not too... punny?" "Child, please. It's better to pick a terrible name than be given one. I had a partner with a sprinting Talent, insisted on being called Boots." Matt raised an eyebrow, curious. "If I can tolerate being called Puss for four hundred years, you can handle a few 'your team's name is a very deep subject' jokes."

Fake Name

They could also add knight to each of those colors. Of course if they kill enough Feddie's they might start calling them the red death, the white death, and the black death or some other monstrous applilation.

Lucas

Great chapter!

Thorsten Schiller

Ubiquity, Eternity, Entropy

MikeL

I guess we will see what gift he receives form the T50 Raven.

Aaron Martinez

I'd guess everything in combat is tier subjective

MikeL

Giving Aster a Royal name lime Princess, Monarch etc would be confusing as people no doubt now know Liz is a double princess.

MikeL

Misdirection, they are trying to hid that.

Alex

Still my favorite out of all suggestions so far. Considering Matt is pretty far removed from being a stripper, it's probably gonna be fine. That said, ever since their fight with LS and them wondering about their aestetically matching armours I am calling them Team sparkles in my mind. (obviously that name doesn't strike fear into the hearts of your enemies, but it makes me happy thinking about them that way xD) Also, the only real life person I know named Crystal isn't a stripper. :) (still kinda a stripper name, she's Chinese and way too many of them pick stripper names. I worked in a day care center for a bit and I talked a few parents out of giving their kids stripper English names. Good times. :D)

Namorat

Not bad, but Crystal sounds too much like a stripper name for me.

I like the theme of a universal cycle, (Matt)Creation: representing the big bang (Liz)Propogation: the spreading of life and the universe (Aster)Destruction: the inevitable end as the energy of the universe fades

I actually liked the Endless, Immortal titles. Having Finality be Asters would be perfect. Or if you wanna have them all start with the same letter. Infinite (Matt), Immortal (Liz), Inevitable (Aster. Like Inevitable Death)

The Grey Mage

Genesis, Eternity, and End

Zachary Blevins

I am Endless I am Immortal I am Eternal

Allen

But Matt is Endless, how is that a singular?

MinE

She is the best option, mostly due that dude committing political suicide repeatedly.

MinE

I just realized Matt could hang out in higher tier rifts, make mana stones, and get Shadow to move them around the empire to multiply his mana density to insane levels.

MinE

Apparently his mana gained another subaspect, Dense, so Ascender Dense is a potential option.

Violet

Singular/Singularity, Sanguine, and Subzero

Dylan Alexander

I honestly think Aster would make a terrible monarch/queen. That beast dude had it right when he said she’d have no idea of what it truly means to be the ruler. I don’t think Ascenders in general make good rulers. They’re killing machines. They don’t have the time nor the necessary skills to rule.

Mashiara

My suggestion would be Life (Matt), Death (Aster) and Rebirth (Liz)

Allen

I like Legion as a name for Liz and Paragon sounds awesome. What about Terminus for Aster? Then we can have LPT, and get a life pro tip every chapter. 🤣

Mana monarch militia/military

Havokk

even a conversation through AI's would have registered partially on their expressions and the people on the ship are just watching and seeing they arent even paying full attention to the fight and still casually wiping everyone out

Michael Olson

Blood and fire could be phoenix? or rebirth?

CringeWorthyStudios

Endless, Immortal and Finality? Eternal doesn’t work for Aster, sure, but Finality or something similar would, and Endless and Immortal work for Liz and Matt pretty well.

Alex

My favorite so far

Alex

They would've talked through their AIs, the enemy wouldn't know it. But they did see them casually slaughter everyone, only idiots don't surrender in the face of overwhelming force.

Alex

I suppose they were still on the ship? Distance in space?. And maybe the others were distracting him? Some regular fire from drifter? It's not like they'd actually expect anybody to be able to just blow them up with a 500million mana breach. Remember, everyone was super impressed when Light handled like three million mana once.

Alex

Well, it's not like the battle was hard for them. They're definitely Ascenders alright xD there's the reason why the people they work with need to have specific personalities to deal with them.

Rhys Rathbun

I like legion for Liz. Not sure about the other two. The other one I came up with which I think is fitting because the Sophron Dynasty was styled after the Greeks was Alpha: Matt, Omega: Aster and Stigma for Liz.

Alex

"‘….Maybe. But it still feels like abandoning them.’ Liz’s face may have been deadpan but he could still hear the whining in her message." Is the maybe supposed to be blue?

Kenneth Dennis

Oh I like that

Scott

Dawn, Eternity, Entropy

John Balman

Love the banter/discussion

Obran

Matt - Velocity, Liz - Flow, Aster - Breaks

Kain

Legions also been floated for Liz and I quite like it. Could go demons Legion Liz, Belzebub for Matt over consumptions kinda fits, and then classic Satan/Lucifer for aster “prince frozen eternally in ice” = princess gonna freeze the universe

austin kutz

He is until he spends more time figuring out runes of his own tier.

Sean McClain

Drop the Star, and be Dark, Frozen, Blood but then there is no theme and adding Star doesn't really work because what is a Blood Star? So it's just adding Star to the end to force a theme.

Rhys Rathbun

For the two words: Dark Star, Frozen Star, Blood Star?

Rhys Rathbun

If liz manages to create bloodfire that becomes easily the best suggestion I've seen. Kind of mad I didn't think of it.

Abriel Blauer

We finally learned what "The Book" was. As for blood and fire, I think I remember a bird and his shinnies mentioning something about adding lightning in the mix.

Retroburn

Legion (L), Paragon (M), Monarch (A)

Tom

Crystal, Crimson and Cryo?

Kain

Hmmmm your first trios got me thinking around divine comedy themes inferno for Liz, blood and fire with demons being “borne” of both in some interpretations /imaginings. purgatory/ pergatorio for aster stasis similar to absolute 0, and Paradiso for Matt his ability is damn near the ability to make the realm itself paradise

Tom Henman

If you want simple... Black, White, Red (Scarlett or Crimson) Kind of used them before...

Ford

Chapter 285, in which Mantis recycles his "new trio name ideas" brainstorming list into a couple pages of story dialogue.

Sean

Probably will have some cool arrays saved for a rainy day but he just doesn't need them.

Thanks for the chapter!

Sean McClain

Could just do Mana, Blood, Cold and be dead simple. But if you want a theme, we'll I would say King (M), Queen (L), and Princess (A) but Queen is pseudo taken For two words: Dark Star, Blood Phoenix, Winter Ice Others: Black, Red, White Star, Sanguine, Subzero

TimeDrawsNigh

Hah! Loved the whole “so how was your day” while ripping the enemy to shreds.

edgardo rossi

Endless, immortal and eternal would be really cool. Even if eternal does not work I think endless and immortal are perfect

Tibstrike

What I'm asking is if the 30+ seconds spent generating this spell was "true time" as in what a t0 or t1 experiences or if it was Tier appropriate time as in it was "Matt experiences 30+ seconds". Either way it was a staggering amount of time in a combat situation.

Discordian23

I don't think the difference is that large between tiers otherwise fighting up a single tier would be impossible and fighting up 4 would just be suicide.

1FantasyFanatic

Eternal Empyrean Legion is bad ass. And each individual name is cool too and fits with M/A/L.

RedLeaf

Thanks for the chapter! That "new name" conversation mid-battle just felt like something Ascenders would do. Especially with Darrow's reaction to the discussion.

Jaklelope

Tyftc

Neil

His entire role in battle is to be enduring, stand there and take the attention. We jump automatically to mana because we know, but why would you assume that otherwise? They already know he has a mana generating concept, so him being able to endlessly use abilities shouldn't be a huge surprise, it's only the sheer scale that is so important to hide.

Rhys Rathbun

Genesis: Matt Terminus: Aster Purgatory: Liz Or alternativelu but not as good Endless: Matt Everlasting: Liz Entropy: Aster and finally Life: Mat Death: Aster Samsara: Liz

Tibstrike

Is the time taken to generate the mana and form his spells Matt or tier subjective or Realm objective? Did the opposing T26 flotilla sit around for subjective ages waiting to get ganked?

Matt H

I think it'll depend somewhat on the situation. In smaller fights when it's just Matt or MLA he might still use some. But this chapter demonstrated that with access to people like Origami there are more effective ways to use his throughput. I suspect that the type of talismans he uses will shift to massive, complicated arrays for spells that would take a lot of time or concentration to cast manually during a battle. But it will probably take a lot of time and resources to develop and build up a stockpile of those.

MikeL

Endless seems a weird name when they are trying to hide his endless mana. When people ask why that name what would be the reply?

Havokk

I really love the idea of merging fire and blood for Liz if she can pull that off it would definitely be a strong link between what she was ( what her mother gave her ) and what she has become. Besides it would be cool as hell to see the Liz blood clones on fire and raining flaming blood on an enemy army. Also the transport ship surrendered so quickly simply because heres team zero causally talking and debating names while slaughtering everything around them I cant blame them for "noping" right out of the fight

SwiftFate

Life, Death, Eternity/Eternal. Fits them very well, especially if Aster continues to push her focus towards extreme cold.

Tommy

I like that it was a semi-serious convo mid-battle. Rather than them bantering hard trying to be funny which can come across a bit cringeworthy sometimes imo

MikeL

Nice to see some important banter. They need new names ASAP! So far all of the names mentioned I wasn’t positive which name went with which character.

Neil

Endless, Countless, and .. Heatless? Hopeless? Timeless? Aster is hard. Or maybe cut the hard trio based names. Liz: Sanguine or Legion Aster: Empyrean/Celestial Matt: Aeon/Eternal

James Faulkner

Tftc!

Joshua Jernigan

I would imagine temporarily yes but I think he will have some once he learns some new ones to use

Dan

Is Matt done with talismans?

Miguel Canarte

thanks

Tommy

Let’s goooo!


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