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Echos Chapter 4

🕑 Added 2023-11-22 19:58:01 +0000 UTC

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Donan The Barbarian

On the Last Line we're the newest ascenders 2000 years ago but thanks to Waters, L&S, and MLA all showing up in the last 2000 years when new ascenders typically show up once every other T50 ruler cycle in a given great power Lila being the Empire ascender from pre Agatha Sophron and Waters showing up right before the transition from Georgios to Manny. This means that On the Last Line expected to be the middle group of ascenders in the realm in roughly another 30-50 thousand years not 2k years after their debut. If things went as they did historically On the Last Line would maaayybe be the second youngest group currently active in the realm if not the youngest in the realm, instead there's as many different ascender teams younger than them as there are older than them (counting those which retired from the wars by tiering out).

Al

Not the Ascenders group chat XD

Nicholas Grey

“At least the newest Ascenders seemed a bit more sane. It was crazy that they’d gone from being the most junior set of Legends in the entire Realm to middle of the pack in less than two thousand years, but crazy was the best kind of.” Not quite sure I understand this. Given that L&S have been operating for less than two *hundred* years, and MAL have been operating for less than two *months*, when he says “the most junior set of Legends”, is he actually referring to himself and his team, On The Last Line? Ie, is he complaining that in 2000 years, they’ve fallen into a boring rut? . “Boney was still as alive as any of them. He had a fully adult human body just barely shorter than he was technically allowed to have, but with fluffy enough hair it would be nearly impossible to prove.” Interesting piece of worldbuilding - the Clans enforce a *minimum* height on their humans (presumably this only applies to T15+), presumably to enforce the racial distinction between humans and dwarves? . “She was going to make Ellen’s brains an illusion next time she saw the Legend. “ Does this imply the Clans have two active Legends teams? This seems highly unusual. Or is Ellen simply “Jack’s” real name?

Nicholas Grey

Now that I’m seeing what Duke Waters looks like… did Duke Kahanamoku provide any part of the inspiration for him? 😂

Aaron

Yeah I guess, but when you can commission art for like $20-30 and most of us are paying $10/month then I think it's fine to expect AI art wouldn't be involved at all with any of the posted work. I just have very strong opinions against AI artwork on any projects that are taking in profits though. If it's a donationless web novel I would have less issues with it.

adam1

If the art was a major focus of the Patreon I might agree, but a fun quick include is different. I don't mind it here. AI art for a book cover or something major would be in poor taste.

Alex

Ahh yes, I knew I was forgetting sth. Mundane stuff can still be useful, enchantments are great, but that doesn't mean stuff without them is useless.

adam1

Anchors scale up in tier as the spirit grows, at least in terms of physical toughness. Enchantments on items don't tier up, so they effectively become mundane items. Growth items work because the abilitynto grow their powers are built in. Matt's heart of a black hole and Liz's blood aren't enchanted, so they should remain useful. Queen's sword will remain a concept weapon with all associated benefits as well.

Aaron

But AI art works off of plagiarizing other artists work when building the model. It would be like feeding PoA, Beware of Chicken, the wandering inn, and he who fights with monsters all to an AI to train it and then have it write a litrpg for you.

Alexander Delgado

The tech is out there. Might as well take advantage of it and bring your vision to your readers. I love you taking advantage of a new tool that will get more and more steam!

Psyren1596

Reality manipulation !?!?! That’s too OP pls nerf lol! Thanks for the chapter

Alex

Except for Duke waters, the others aren't fighting up Tiers. Wars are limited to T35, so Maya at least is only allowed to fight at Tier oppenonents. And on the last line isn't allowed to fight at all.

Alex

I am still a bit confused about how anchors work. It just still seems like a bad idea to use some fragile low tier thing as an anchor. Some people use growth items or other scale able stuff and that just seems superior? It's probably not actually that much of an advantage, but deep down it still feels lacking

MikeL

Team Biscuit is from He Who Fights with Monsters.

Aaron

I know some artists have super long turnaround times, but just searching '#commission #chibi' on Twitter I found a few different artists that I feel like could've made the art you posted with a short turnaround time https://twitter.com/Gldnxpuff/status/1651556960574263303?t=CL7zAQ0bghGxzta6x5bOdw&s=19 https://twitter.com/ashita__aaa/status/1695110732034281596?t=bxf_22hR3V7gGQSosM3NpQ&s=19 Again I'm not trying to like cancel you or anything, and I get it's annoying to try and find artists with open comms in a style you like, I just feel like there are artists out there who would be able to do what you want with a quick turnaround and I would personally rather have some of my patreon money I use to support you also go to help other artists. I'll leave it there, and I hope you have a happy Thanksgiving if you celebrate it.

C_Mantis

I've commissioned several pieces of art but despite AI art and the fact I'm happy to pay for it art is damn hard to get done. Even now trying to contact an artist I'm told 'I'll get back to you in three to six months'. That's just too damn long for something as small as an emoji/sticker or for trying to figure out character art. It's all over here and the discord. I've even pairs hundreds of dollars for simple emojis. I'm happy to spend the money but damn hard to get an artists time. And yes I've tried using Fiverr but despite them being fast the quality of their interactions and understanding of what I want has been severely lacking in several occasions.

Aaron

Maybe it's just me but AI generated art is a bit gross when you have a patreon. I don't think it would have cost that much to commission an artist for that image vs use a tool that rips off other artists work to make an image. If there wasn't any money involved in the story I feel like it's a bit more acceptable, but since you are making money I feel like commissioning an artist is a much better look.

Jeppe Fiig

Maybe because his talent is about herding goats,

Jeppe Fiig

I initially thought it was a one piece reference. But i absolutely love that they are a Funny team, that forces their handler to issue them "Epic quests" and apparently took the literal wording From "sign on the last Line" XD

Serran

Team Bucket was the thing. I think it would be getting much more respect than you would think at first.

He thinks of it as a mixed bag. On the one hand, it’s good stress relief, on the other, he hates punching down at people who didn’t do anything to piss him off, which quill had to do sometimes.

Havokk

Well the Emperor did mention at one time that Melinda would be invaluable in returning assets back to combat faster than expected

C_Mantis

We will get them.

Ryan Berends

Team Biscuit!

Mistfate

yeah i would love to see all of them. I'm interested in the queen's reaction a lot as well, since we actually got to see her a bit more. Also I want to see the King suffering with the asteroid stuff.

Daniel S

I thought Matt hated his Quill persona though as he doesn't like being intentionally mean to people like Quill is.

SCDarkSoul

I think for me it was that he is always called "Duke" Waters. That emphasis on the noble title always had me imagining him as more regal looking, especially combined with his fearsome reputation.

SodaBoBomb

Here I was thinking of him as like a Jeremy Irons looking guy except cheerful

SCDarkSoul

I rather enjoyed the necromancer. The "Dreadlord" with apparent armies of undead he controls across multiple worlds, but he's just a shut-in who his friends call "Boney" and has a dragon skeleton named Draco McDragonface.

Quixotic

are we getting any from Juni and the others from the pather war/golem incident?

Rehoboth Okorie

what's the bold letter stuff? are we finally seeing aspects in action. they seem to be actually reality warping instead of just special telekinesis. can we get a bit more on how aspects work?

John Anastacio

Wonder if the Empire strategists will let Aiden go out to fight some more immediately afterwards or if they'll hide the fact that he's almost fully healed except for the Domain or spirit damage. I don't know how much they'd value the secret of Melinda versus the fortresses, battlefields and lives they'd lose if they kept Waters on hold.

C_Mantis

Fixed. That is what I get for making a dumb name

C_Mantis

at least another 5 or so. IDK well keep having them until I run out of ideas. Its fun to get away from the MC's

C_Mantis

this is a little losser than usual but the echos will start being less directly about MLA the further the way we get from the source. I mean I could have main this a main story chapter but I didnt want to slow the main story down soooooo.

C_Mantis

Im not seeing them. Can you point out the words?

Shmigit

This is a fucking fantastic explanation of each group!

Phil

I think Matt would certainly benefit from taking on a bit of his Quill persona. He could certainly use a bit more of a playful confidence and half-serious condescension sometimes. For stress relief if nothing else. Maybe spending time with Duke Waters will help with that.

Istyatur Elestel

The ones I have noticed are when there is a missing space after a period, and it gets corrected to a link

Mistfate

Was not expecting to get these perspectives at all but it was awesome. Would love to see more of this every once in a while. Still want a talous pov! Btw how many more echo chapters can we expect?

Joshua Jernigan

Followed up with at tier 35 them "channeling Duke waters and just going nope I refuse those orders on the grounds that they sound boring"

Jeppe Fiig

I hmm there was a Gideon, but i was under the he was one of the first ascenders and like the cosmos had ascended

austin kutz

"Please sign on the last line" is pretty great to take literally for supposedly one of the most powerful teams at a given tier It's got a bit of a "Team Biscut" feel to it

Phil

hmm... for some reason I pictured Duke Waters as more an 80's style Italian greaser than an islander. Not sure where I got that picture, maybe the attitude? The blue haired Islander seems more fitting though now that I see it, chibi form or not. Captures more of his cheerfulness than the image I had. Love the idea of the ascender chatroom. Really carries how detached and flippant most ascenders are towards politics. They've all got their heads looking at the upper realms. Treating their current realm as more a playground or staging area.

SCDarkSoul

Ah. So Allie fits right in with the other Ascenders and Light being all serious, and the trio being (mostly) sane makes them the odd ones out.

Alex

No clue. I'm guessing some other retirees like Lila?

Jana

I bet there is an anonymous Therapy Group for People who try to make Ascenders (and peers) do Stuff. It’s not only the T50 who need it, that Ugund Guy seems pretty tense as well :-P

William Johnson

Okay so Maya is the pumped up version of that one guy from the tier 10 tournament, that is spooky. I had the idea in my head that On the Last Line was going to be a bunch of stoic hardcases, them being a pile of idiots was excellent. I wonder if MAL is going to be that nuts after ten tiers of basically being gods.

Bender

Nice chapter, but it's more of a Interlude rather than a Echo. Echo pretty much focused on aftermath of the ascender revelation, which this chapter is not. Still fun to read about Ascender Group Chat. Oh, how I'd like to get access to that!

Isley

good chappie

Jeppe Fiig

Yeah, somehow i am not surprised all the ascenders quality people are like Duke Waters. they all struggle and clawed their way to the top, and now they mostly fight up tier, but will usually find their opponents easy. with how valueable they are to the great powers, they are unlikely to be matched against each other, whom would be a challenge. Then having to stay in such a state for a very long time... i can definitely see why they rush off instead of staying below tier 36 when given the chance. Now who was Gideon and Sien?

CringeWorthyStudios

“she walked into her shower, where she created a few *helpers*.” Well that’s certainly one use for solid illusions…

Alex

Remember when they completely wrecked the queendoms economy by giving everyone a Manas tone 15 tiers above their Tier after they stole the planet?

Alex

Truthfully though, as if Mara and Leon (or even Rusty) arent all that much better. The only reason they're slightly less trouble is that they've gotten used to not being allowed to fight in wars. They still act out. Mara and Leon probably cause the emperor a similar amount of grief as Aiden

Alex

Every chapter recently seems to have one or two words that are blue instead of regular text color (white in my case cause I'm reading in dark mode) I am not sure if that's an intentional choice, a bug in what the author writes or just some weird issue with patreon itself

SodaBoBomb

Waters is awesome as usual. Wasn't much of a fan of On The Last Line until "I hoard the knowledge. Rawr. My knowledge. No givey." Because that was hilarious. Tyfc.

Havokk

The image is fantastic and I can completely see Duke Waters doing that. The fact that from this we can see that all Ascenders are definitely more eccentric , with MLA seeming to be the most normal so far but that may just be due to us watching them from the beginning, just makes me picture all the higher tiered people trying to get them to do what they want as herding a bunch of cats... who happen to all have nukes, death star lasers and any other world ending weapons strapped to them.

Shaun McDonough

Ty

James Faulkner

This would be hilarious 😂

J

"Yuvgret" is spelled as "Yugrev" 3 or 4 times.

Jana

Quill and Torch would fit in that group quite well, especially Quill. Hopefully there is a bit of that persona left in Matt because that’ll be hilarious.

Violet

Alas, I'm pretty certain some of the T50s legitimately hate one another, unlike the Ascenders. Also, JR would constantly be trying to upsell them all.

Rielgesh

Tftc! Was all the swapping around of "Ascender" and the equivalent titles meant this way? Was very confusing for me.

MikeL

Yes, we now need a T50 group chat of them complaining about Ascender types.

Violet

Adding somewhat satirical explanations of what each of the 8 is: 1. Unification of Clans: Dwarves, currently facing the significant challenge of not digging too deep or becoming too greedy after the ascension of their former leader. 2. The Empire: You are here 3. The Republic: Where all the World of Darkness and Nasuverse fans were allowed to set up a society. Surprisingly less prurient than you'd expect, given that fact. 4. The Sects: You DARE forget the nature of these formidable Sects!? You are courting DEATH!! 5. The Conglomerate of Guilds: Their primary imports are spandex and capes. Allied with the Empire because the Empire bribed them really, really good. 6. The Monster Collective: Insert cheap furry joke here. 7. The Corporations: Where all the Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead fans were allowed to set up a "society". Administered to by a particularly acquisitive birb. 8. The Federation: Mustache-twirling villains who have an entire social stratum dedicated to the act of kicking puppies.

AirSak2000

Ok. Thanks.

Alex

I love the ascenders. They're all just children with nukes. That's what you get for making them do 24/7 fighting and training during their formative years. I can just see the T50s (the ones that don't hate each other) commiserating about how much it sucks to get Ascenders to do what theyre told

Azulmar

So wow! Matt and Liz really are oddball Ascenders. Now I want a scene with a room full of Empire generals with all of them bursting into tears and someone walks in asking what happened. "The new ascenders!" " oh no, what did they do? Did it cause too much damage or problems?" "We asked them to do something reasonable.. And they just did it..we have sane Ascenders .. WE HAVE SANE ASCENDERS!!" And the tears kept flowing.

Derek Walker

A team of ascenders is counted as 1 ascender for tallying purposes. So the empire has 3 ascenders. DW, LS, MAL

MinE

They are the closest thing they have to peers. I mean the tier 45+ are basically politicians or observers, they're basically gods to anyone sub tier 25, and anyone tier 25-35 beside their fellow Ascenders are basically cannon fodder; that leaves their fellow Ascender and tier 36-45s.

C_Mantis

1 the unification of clans 2 the empire 3 the republic 4 the Sects 5 The conglomerate guilds 6 The Monster collective 7 The corporations 8 The federation The Empire and the Guilds are at war with the Republic, the Sects, and the Federation

AirSak2000

Are legends the clans equivalent to the empires ascenders? Why are they using the empire terminology to refer to Matt and Co. Also, wasn't the whole reason for the war that the empire has too many ascenders? Why was the addition of light and shadow a problem when the clans have atleast 4

C_Mantis

we do on teh discord but you dont really need to memorize it. I try to ensure its pretty obvious when its brought up.

Violet

Interesting reference for a Republic Ascender. I'd expect that one in the Guilds!

Shaun McDonough

Am I the only one who really struggles to remember which great power is which?... and who is at war with who?.. 😪

MinE

Does anyone have a list of all the great powers elites and Ascender equivalents; I lost track.

MikeL

So now I want to see an argument between Aster and Duke Waters on what is the superior element. Or will they bond over it technically being the same but different states.

RedLeaf

Fun seeing the 'incident' through Aiden's eyes as it happened. I reeeaaally want to see more of "On The Last Line" -- that crew just has "crazy shinanigans" oozing out from everywhere.

Jason Hatter

Why am I not surprised that there's some sort of group chat going on with the various Great Power Ascenders..

Tyftc First!


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