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Chapter 290

🕑 Added 2023-12-01 19:59:01 +0000 UTC

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Fucking Shracc

first, jk last

MinE

How was the whole Federation kidnapping potential pathers handled; I have no idea how their is a loophole that allows targeted attacks on low tier children.

Phillip Hunsicker

there aren't any tier 50 planets known about. That said part of what they are looking for from him is tiering up planets and rifts to tier 50.

dibjuv

I thought there were no Tier 50 planets or rifts. Isn't the highest tier planet/rift only Tier 47? And that's the capital of each Great Power.

Markus

The question is how much.

Jana

Ahh now I see where you’re coming from. You predict that the true war will start over DW getting killed by a T36+ and that’s what starts the war. I still disagree though. Without Matts power getting discovered the other Great Powers, even the Empires Enemies would gang up on the rulebreaker and even if they don’t it would definitely lead to the neutral forces joining the empires side. And Matts cover ability (the one with the mana stones) is quite genius as he used manastones early on to jumpstart Hail etc. It’ll take some time to get through that deception. Nah I believe the Empire will make the current one a war they will not win but not lose either. Costly for both sides, some concessions that don’t really hurt the empire but look good on paper (like Tiering up to T35+) followed by a time in which Matt will start his Guild and a general time of progression leading to a true war upon Matt being discovered. But don’t get me wrong Matt being discovered early would definitely lead to jumpstarting the true war.

Jake Kimmerly

Right it's not the empire's choice whether somebody breaks the rules to kill DW

Jana

That makes little sense, cause DW dying would weaken the Empires T35 down army, so the enemies would have a vested interest in keeping the war there instead of allowing Lila to take field. The Empire will try to delay the true war as long as possible as they win the time game with Matt increasing their high tier delve slots, their economy and their fighting power.

Jake Kimmerly

Oh let me be clear, I think Duke Waters dying is one of the things that kicks off the true war, just like I think Harper has somebody shadowing that one Republic woman that can just make somebody not exist to kill her at commencement of real hostilities.

Zachary Blevins

Action sequences should always be fast pace Like a car accident a series of events that take place so quickly that you actually have to ponder about it afterwards A fight sequence should never take more than three minutes per a combatant The sequence itself can go on and on from one action to another, but it should never be a long drawn out event with he said she said That’s the reason why you break boxing matches into rounds That’s the reason why fencing matches most rounds in at the first touch Quiet reflection can be done, but it’s done after or before Like the movie, gladiator little sequence with the bird, and then you get to see a Roman legion in all of its horrible glory, destroy a barbarian host, and then after the battle, you see the general walking the battlefield and retrieving the sword he dropped two moments of quiet reflection done before, and after the action sequence, which was fast paced and uninterrupted Jurassic Park Clever girl and it was over before he realized he had made a mistake Saving private Ryan After the explosion deafens, Tom Hanks, and everything starts to slow down as the fight ending and the sequence fades to 50 years later in private, Ryan, looks at his wife and says tell me I’m a good man You can break a fight sequence up for the sake of the story, and there are ways to do that well Star Wars episode six The end of that movie is masterfully done With a three-way battle On the moon in the space above the moon, and on the death star Each event taking place summertime with the other The movie serenity does that really well too at the end Villain there’s a great many innocent people dying above us right now Hero You have no idea. And then a clash between a back alley, brawler and a eloquent train killer you get to cut outs, and maybe a paragraph or the dialogue between the two of them while they’re trying to kill each other and then the fight sequences over

Apep

@chris: No 50 is a semi hard limit at least for beings. It is mentioned earlier that the T50s need to use an substantial amount of their power to resist ascension.

Jana

If he dies at all, he will die in the true war that is yet to come. I can see the Empire making a (not really) concession to tier him out of T35 wars at the end of this one thus stuffing him in dungeons for a while, but I cannot see him dying in the T35 and below wars.

Namorat

I disagree wholeheartedly. While I don't want anything changed here, I would be bored beyond belief if every writer would handle action scenes the same. I personally rarely care for the action, but the effect it has on the people, both perpetrator and victim. And although those things can be evaluated on, I also feel there is a case for it during those scenes. That said, cool chapter.

Chris

So I guess it would behoove the empire to try to create a 'willpower wound' dungeon versus regeneration dungeons. Spread it far and wide and ascended are done versus standard troops

Chris

Not that I'm against killing mc's but it just seems like a weird not laid out way to make overheal worthless to save xyz character. Might as well throw in 'Legion' and say xyz great p came up with super op willpower injury wpn to ignore her. Just saying if it wasn't healable then why isn't that the super wpn? Like you may have 300 Spartans but I have smallpoxs...I just have to wait to hit you with my equivalent ascended after to hold the line. Idk war strategy wise I'm confused. Maybe I over/under estimate ascender value?

Erriballon

I want to know as well

Chris

My understanding is that there is no 'auto-ascend' at 50 bc all the leaders are t50. Hense 50 is the limit so a 51 planet or rift I expect to ascend to rip apart but the 50 planet and rift suff is doable but never had enough resonable resources to push them until Matt so I'm pretty sure the capitols of each system are 47-49 but is not 50 just b.c of resources. It seems exponential to me like if a t20 takes 10 mil mana say 20^5.381 that would mean that a t50 would be 1.4 B so the Empire goal would be building up more higher planets to push more ascended it makes no sense to push the higher planets for something not usable in developing warriors (ignoring possible skills)

Chris

I think it would be worth the nebulous questioning and I think it's the goal to surprise other ascenders with Allie and Melinda to kill them. I guess I'm just not sure what a willpower injury means...I suspect my intent training argument is still valid consideration but the discussion Aiden had about aspect and amount of power is in play. Idk if willpower injuries are so killer I just would think Melinda's ability is more 'meh' than gamechanging (at least how she is being used). I'd have thought this would have come up before (maybe it has) it just seems like any bad injury MLA has suffered has been 'MELINDAED' so I would just expect if willpower injuries would be 'in the strategies' rather than killing or at least be more expletive about how hard it is or not. Like the wound to Luna during her inspiration intervention was that the same or something different?

John Balman

Tier 50 planet would have at least one tier 50 rift, as I understand it. But if realm had multiple tier 50 worlds it would be close to tiering up the realm as I understand it

John Balman

So does Matt know how to scrub essence from human enemies now????

Phillip Hunsicker

So I have to ask the dumb question. Everyone is talking about tier 50 rifts, but everything that is tier 50 automatically ascends. So you can't have a tier 50 rift on a tier 50 planet as it would ascend.... (is that correct?) I can see, maybe tier 49 planets with tier 50 rifts(which will eventually ascend the planet when it tiers up) as maybe rifts don't ascend automatically, but the mechanics of it seem a bit iffy. if you can have tier 50 rifts on tier 49 planets. I don't see why he wouldn't just push to tier 50, 51 or higher on tier 47 planet while waiting for the planet to tier up some. When he gets close to tier 45 or so it seems like with his mana regen and the density it will be at by that point it is potentially possible. Also a tier 50 or higher rift would only be useful for skills as anything else it produces would need to be anchored to the lower realm once it leaves the rift, assuming you can have a tier 50 rift in the current realm. My question is how do the mechanics of this work...?

C_Mantis

Ehh I just didnt feel like it was necessary to go into more clean up fights. I wanted to keep it snappy. If its not enough I can add more but let me know after mondays chapter.

Matt H

Locking him out of regeneration for a while like they did to Mana Beam could also be a viable strategy since he seems to take hits in return for dealing them out as well. They may not be able to kill him during that time, but they could injure him enough to weaken and make him more vulnerable for the rest of the fight.

David Lund

I would go with "three real months outside the Tier 35 rift." Note I am certain your English is far better than mine. Also could be three real months while beinh in the Tier 35 rift.

Jake Kimmerly

*Nobody* allowed to kill him can kill him, that's the character

Amanda Holmes

You guys are not thinking big enough. 10 chapters before someone shatters his domain like Helen's was disintegrated. Anyone can simply kill him, big morale shredder is that the best domain person gets his smashed into paste.

adam1

If they crush the others in the wars, and make some treaties to share the wealth, Matt could tier up worlds with no able to contest the Empire. If he can get powerful enough, Matt's Talent can propel the Empire so far beyond the other Great Powers that they can never catch up. My personal bet is alliance of the Empire, Beast Collective, and Guilds, maybe with the Clans, to crush the other three Great Powers. Plus, Virgil's plans will probably start a massive retaliation against the Federation.

Aaron Hardin

A couple things wrong with that. First, it was mentions in an interlude some time ago that every other tier 50 can sense whenever a new tier 50 ascends, so the Empire could only have ascensions to tier 50 if every other power is already investing them with people above tier 35, otherwise it would precipitate the all out war the emperor wants to delay as long as possible. Second, while I don’t doubt that the emperor would want to ascend a planet to tier 50, it was mentioned that the previous major power was ganged up on in an all pit over tier 35 war which destroyed them completely for trying to acquire a second tier 48 planet, so any any attempts to tier planets up beyond tier 48 require a planet completely hidden from any other powers to prevent being invaded by everyone in an all out war. Unlike the tier 50, this could be hidden, most likely by making he only way people get there is via Allie teleports or something like that, but it would first require finding new undiscovered planet by someone with a high security clearance to start, and the planet would likely start at a tier well below 50, so it would take a lot of time to reach tier 50.

Jake Kimmerly

My first instinct was 10.5

Havokk

I suspect once Matt can make tier 50 rifts youll see more than a few of the royal raised top 50 as well. So I suspect MLA will all reach tier 50 before leaving the realm.

Cam

ill take the over but less than ten

Snugglebadger

I believe there is also the secondary benefit of not letting the other great powers learn about Melinda's ability. They can play of a shorter amount of time to recuperate as his injuries not being so severe, but if he was right back in the action, they'd figure out some new healing prodigy was working with their Ascenders. They want that info kept hidden until it is absolutely necessary to risk revealing it.

The El Bandito

Hopefully they are at least using [Lesser Sacrifice] on that essence to get a boost. Who knows maybe they are up to [Sacrifice] or perhaps even a higher tier spell such as [Greater Sacrifice]. If those even exist.

Jake Kimmerly

Over/under 6.5 chapter before Duke Waters is killed

C_Mantis

Yeah its more about waiting for his willpower to recover as he overdrafted it

WhiteRabbit

Really need to alpha strike Matt to do much of anything. He's too much like magic Hulk lol

adam1

Actually, my bet is that he becomes the next Emporer to get his next Talent and spend 30,000 years fueling the Empire. This also works out so that Aster can be next Beast Queen.

Magnuss

It could be that Darrow is willing to sacrifice all captured ppl or that he is referring to breaking the enchantments and other defending infra so the world is getting defacto destroyed because that is its only function.

Alex

They only really use Allie at the start and end of a mission. Everything inbetween is normal travel for months. Allie does weaken my argument for seperate teams cause teleportation can accomplish similar things, but it can't change everything. The cleanup they do after the main mission and drawing attention still takes months. They could go draw attention at different fronts. Allow the regular troops to have even less resistance

Jamie Trevino

Blood for the Blood God? (His loving wife Liz)

Michael Storms

Name idea for Liz, Matt and Aster: Legion, Dreadnought and Desolation

Valter Anunciação

Feels like the chapter ended midway

Andrew K

I believe he was indicated to be dealing with willpower depletion, which healers can't really help with per se, but would be familiar with evaluating.

Zachary Blevins

Time is relative to your position in space he’ll still have to experience two years worth of time. Everybody outside the rift will experience about 12 weeks.

MinE

The difference between tiers is bigger at higher tiers plus infinite mana is limited by his skills, control, and concentration. His current build helps on the skill issue, but it still has limits. His control is a serious issue; he might have the worst mana control in the history of Ascenders despite being good relative to an average elite. Eventually his concentration is going to grow to the point of becoming more of a factor in combat than his infinite supply but by that point domains, especially Aspects can outweigh even an infinite supply of super dense mana. P.S I wonder if his mana density will eventually get to the point it is basically essence; I wonder what his new dense subaspect does.

Zachary Blevins

Time is relative to your position in space Duke Waters will experience two years of time displacement, while the rest of the universe experiences about 12 weeks of time

DowagerOfVeils

But then what are MLA gonna do? Travel time is a very real concern; if you send MLA on a month-long trip to one location, and have Allie teleport the rest to another front that isn't guaranteed to be nearby, you've kinda put MLA out of commission for twice the travel time. Sure, you could use Allie to cut that down drastically, but then you're just sending all of Team Zero somewhere, but only having half of them fight at a given location. The fronts don't appear to be constantly happening simultaneously, so you lose little by sending all of Team Zero to each fight, and spending the time that *would* be spent on travel time instead magnified eightfold in the home base rift, recovering, training, and destressing.

Zachary Blevins

Great chapter !!! No inner monologue, no tragic self reflection, no pleading with the voice in his head about his present state of morality I wish every writer would, write fight sequences like this brutal efficient and most important fast Fight sequences should always be fast-paced I wish everybody understood that. Great chapter !!!

Chris

I'm more confused about why Aiden needs all that time with the overheal effect. Not sure of all the damage types that overheal has no benefit towards. I thought it was maybe intent damage from what the elites tried to do but then why have Aiden do intent training when they have other pros who are subjectively better teachers. Am I forgetting something that spelled this out more?

adam1

Yes, but Light and Shadow would still have gotten there faster than expected. I think that Allie's gift will end up slipping before the end of the war. They'll be forced to move too quickly to too many locations fighting fires.

adam1

Yes, while it is technically correct as written, it could be "That was only three real months outside the rift." or something similar.

Zachary Blevins

I really think it’s worse than that. I think at level 35 he’ll be able to take on a level 50. And I don’t think Matt’s gonna see level 50 in this reality I think you’ll be forced to ascend before then and then he’ll be level 40 take it on level 60s

brennon Petersen

Tftc!

crusaderstar

That answers one half of my question, the other was basically Darrow said he'd like to hand the planet back to the captured defenders with minimal infra damage. Then somebody said the sects probably won't surrender, at which point Darrow said we'd destroy the planet. Does that included the captured Empire defenders? And all the support staff such a world needs, janitors, cooks ,etc. etc. etc. Trying to understand what's Darrow's approach and moral lines here.

C_Mantis

DW isnt the only person but hes very good at it. Well talk about it later no doubt

Dr. Redbush

Makes it seem that it’s 3 months IN the Tier 35 rift, when it would be 3 months real time OUTSIDE the Tier 35 rift

Corwin

Using the essence of other people taints their cores unless they've learned to use their domain to scrub the essence. So far only one person is known to be able to do that, and he hasn't shared that info. Duke Waters.

BurnNote

All battles happen on fortress moons/ planets. No civilians there.

Dr. Redbush

Specifically the “only three real months in the Tier 35 rift”

Dr. Redbush

This part here: “Melinda included, stating that he would be out for at least two years subjective. That was only three real months in the Tier 35 rift”

Daniel Golding

Would Matt, for example, use the essence from these combat kills for his physical core, or do they not use it? Is it too low level (they delve up 4), or does that not matter?

C_Mantis

they are the equivalent of the systems pluto so no one lives there and they are just used as a point to fight over safly.

C_Mantis

If you or someone else can point out what part is confusing I can tweak it but it all makes sense to me as I wrote it.

Dr. Redbush

Ok yeah that is what I thought. The way I read it in this chapter seemed like it was the opposite so it threw me off. I must have just read it wrong here. Thanks!

Havokk

Fortress worlds are designated battle grounds so no civilian population. They are near populated worlds but the agreements by the Great Powers keep the battles from non combatant worlds themselves. If the fortress world falls the neighboring planets are considered conquered as well

PhDoug

I actually loved it as is and thought it was clever. I recommend not changing.

C_Mantis

Its subjective vs real time. the rift has an 8x dilation so one second in the real world is 8 seconds in the rift.

C_Mantis

yeah more like free the blood from the enimies bodies. If its not clear I can tweak.

Havokk

the time dilation in rifts is faster than the outside world. This is why they are abusing the rifts this way so that they can get back into the war much faster than expected

crusaderstar

Was taken aback by Darrow saying they'd destroy the world if they couldn't retake it, are there no mortals on it? Empire soldiers imprisoned by the sect? Even if his answer is still yes would've liked that being fleshed out a bit.

Dr. Redbush

I’m a bit confused about relative vs. real time. The way it was worded in this chapter made it sound like 3 months inside the rift was like 2 years outside in the real world. I thought it was the other way around where 2 years inside the rift (relative time) would be 3 months outside the rift (real time)? I could just not be reading it correctly but if someone could help me straighten out my understanding, that would be amazing. 😜

RedeyeA

Zach is really rubbing off on Matt. Why waste the mana when there is so much blood already there in their enemies?

PhDoug

"Instead he dove in to create some blood" followed by zero uses of [Create Blood] and just wanton slaughter was awesome.

Alex

They can't expose her talent too much though. Of course it makes stuff smoother, but is it really worth it? Kinda seems like they could've just replaced MLA with a couple more higher tire elites and get a similar effect

Derze

"We expect you to do the impossible ! you have 15 minutes to come up with a working strategy... be quick" Man...I love this chapter

Solopath

A name proposal for Matt, Aster and Liz: Fusion, 'llusion, and Lesion/Legion

Havokk

This is something Ive truly been waiting for in the war, seeing Matt the Monster crushing those who are tiers above him in a way that, very very slightly, makes you feel bad for opponents who arent smart enough to just surrender right away. I know weve seen other fights but this one really feels like Matt will be as feared as Duke Waters is if not more so by the end.

Bender

Feels a bit Star Wars-y. Orbital ships, planetary shields and such.

mitchell kaiser

Can’t wait for Monday!

C_Mantis

"hand" fixed ty

Eduard Marciuc

But the point of Team Zero is, using Allie's teleport, getting to situations stupidly fast and handling them even faster with overwhelming power from 2 sets of Ascenders, because sure one set can be fast, but a second helps make it so much easier and smoother

Alex

Yeah, it's T27, so it makes sense to send them all, MLA are still new too. But they could put together teams of T26/27 elites to work with them on those missions. Then they could still win and be at two places at the same time.

adam1

Or smash one hardpoint with overwhelming power. They're on track to retake the world in about a half hour of fighting.

Solopath

"Matt grabbed the woman's head with a lightning-wreathed, ignoring" I think a word is missing.

Alex

The whole benefit of having two ascender teams is that you can send them to different locations at the same time.

Michael Storms

Thanks for the chapter

Thanks for the chapter

Andrew Eaker

Appreciate it

Alexander

Thanks for the chapter


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