Part 3 in the series

Nile Red

No problem :)

Very good video. Thanks for the effort!

Nile Red

haha no worries :)

Roger Lee

Huh. I have to wonder how I managed to misunderstand what I was looking at (OK, so it's not such a surprise, considering I'm a mildly gifted amateur on the best of days). I was looking at the output from Wolfram Alpha, and the skeleton drawings looked a lot closer. Ah well. Just a thought. There's a reason I'm in IT...

Nile Red

they are very different! If we are talking about the same thing <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine</a>

Roger Lee

I do not have a source. The idea actually came to me due to the fact that I misread one for the other, and thought that it should be possible. the structures aren't that far off, are they?

Nile Red

I do still have it, but with a quick search i dont see anything about using it to make melamine. Do you have a source?

Roger Lee

Hey. Completely unrelated to this video, do you still have that methylamine? If so, how difficult would it be to convert it to melamine? Would it be worth the time and effort to try?

Nile Red

Hey, really sorry about that. I remade the name list and ordered it and somehow your name got messed up. I am really hoping there aren't a lot of other mistakes in there..

Keith Emery

Emery my last name is Emery

Paul Grodt

Great to hear, thanks! Come to think of it, the salicylic acid here turned the same color pink that the phenol-formaldehyde mixture turns as you add the catalyst, just before it kicks off.

Nile Red

Im definitely doing Bakelite at some point, but Ill try to look into some other phenolic polymers

Paul Grodt

That's the obvious one, certainly. I've seen the bakelite reaction before and it's a really cool one. But there's also Novolacs, which I haven't seen before. I suspect that either could make for great videos.

Nile Red

What are you interested in? Bakelite?

Paul Grodt

Phenol fascinates me. If you are ever in the mood to do some reactions involving phenolic polymers, sign me up.

Nile Red

haha, nothing like the smell of diarrhea in the morning.

Nile Red

no no no. It doesnt smell "like" diarrhea and vomit. It smells "OF" diarrhea and vomit. So much worse in my opinion.

Nile Red

no no no. It doesnt smell "like" diarrhea and vomit. It smells "OF" diarrhea and vomit. So much worse in my opinion.

Nile Red

Forgot to mention. It goes to regenerate the aromaticity of the ring. With the co2 gone, the carbon that was attached below to it would only have 3 bonds. The H is picked up to give the carbon 4 bonds and regenerate aromaticity. The H might be added before the decarboxylation by another salicylic or it might be added to the ring intramolecularly by the carboxylic acid, at the same time that the co2 is being ejected I'm not sure

Nile Red

Ill repost my reply here because apparently it didnt reply to you directly.

Nile Red

Oh yes, I forgot!

Doing another Patron strawpoll?

Nile Red

Forgot to mention. It goes to regenerate the aromaticity of the ring. With the co2 gone, the carbon that was attached below to it would only have 3 bonds. The H is picked up to give the carbon 4 bonds and regenerate aromaticity. The H might be added before the decarboxylation by another salicylic or it might be added to the ring intramolecularly by the carboxylic acid, at the same time that the co2 is being ejected I'm not sure

Roger Lee

Nice. So when the decarboxylation happens, you mention that it converts to phenol and CO2. There's a hydrogen in the starting material. Where does that go?

Nile Red

Ah crap. Oops.ill fix it now

Matt

It says the video is private