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Chef's Kiss Pt. 2 (Fate/Grand Order)

🕑 Added 2023-01-26 15:47:23 +0000 UTC

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Aoiishi

Imagine, Shirou's perfect paradise dimension is the Tiger Dojo and that's why he goes there when he dies lmao.

Arkeus a Druid

Just to chime in a bit EX means it doesn't follow normal rules, could be EX but effectively be worse than a E rank phantasm. So no more of an asspull then when it was used to revive shirou from being bisected by Berserker. Also Rin had a 10 year crystal which fixed a heart stab from the Gae Bolg soo you got a lot of room.

Kuuga03

Not if he spaces the tracing/healing out over time.

Nasaguy

To remain confuse? I wouldn’t say that but more like to stick with the mantra that I and many would like to call whenever confusing shit happens, or why certain historical figures are females instead of being depicted as they are in myths, legends, etc, we say to newcomers to the franchise “Don’t worry about it”

Orion9137

@Nick Unless you've played/watched the Prologue to the FGO mobile game and seen at least the Fate/Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works anime you'll be as lost as me jumping into something like a Percy Jackson fic.

Orion9137

Avalon really is the ultimate plot device. Kiritsugu uses it to save Shirou, ok sure. Then it just stays dormant for a decade because "no Saber connection", which makes no sense as it wouldn't have been able to save Shirou then. And until the plot needs it Shirou just dies and ends up in Tiger Dojo after Tiger Dojo while us Nasuverse nerds just think "b-but why didn't Avalon work that time?" It's a neat Deus Ex that explains why Saber was summoned and for some plot points in the Fate route but I feel Nasu could have done a better job with it.

SylverIron

Considering this is Fate... probably for the best to remain confused

SpiritCrystal

I’ll try and understand more as it goes on, but for right now I’ll keep being confused 0_o

Ironwolfej

Ultimately, Avalon feels like a case of "Powers as the Plot Demands".

VaticToxic

Honestly, as far as I can tell, Avalon is a "Perfect Dimension" where nothing goes wrong or is hurt, the Sheath is a portal or AoE bringing it to Nasuverse physical reality, and it only functions near the vicinity of Arturia because Fey Magic BS. Which means I'm honestly not certain this is an Asspull lmao. Isn't there a point at which Avalon defends against Ea / Enuma Elish?

Cambrian

Its a bit of a toughie, Fate/Grand Order is a gacha game rather than a show, and the story is a little silly. But basically, Lev Lainur is the bad guy and just blew up humanity. Where the good guys currently are is called Chaldea and because of Chaldea's nature, it still exists despite the rest of the world being blown up. Now they have to fix that shit before time runs out. Shirou and his girls aren't actually supposed to be there though, Ritsuka is the main character of FGO. So that's where the strangeness is going to come into play. Olga, for instance, was supposed to die in this opening chapter of the game. Now she's just in a coma instead.

SpiritCrystal

Anyone wanna 20-words-or-(b)less me with a summary of the context? Haven’t watched this show.

Max Turry

Tho instead of mash she’s obsessed with shirou ;)

Ironwolfej

It says a lot about Avalon that my response to that was "Eh, checks out."

Cambrian

Nice, wasn't sure about how Avalon REALLY worked, so glad to hear I mostly made it make sense xD

Ironwolfej

So, bit of a Nasu nerd here. Several people have brought up the Counter Force. I agree that normally Shirou's actions might garner a response, but the CF is a function of Alaya, the Unconscious Will of Humanity. It's going to be far too busy shitting bricks to give a flying fuck about Sword-boy twisting the rules. Humanity is GONE. Not in danger, gone. As for the Avalon asspull, that's... Pretty much what it's for. Avalon is the ultimate defensive Noble Phantasm. It says "screw you" to any attempt to define its limits.

SylverIron

Wait, you thought I was talking about food? ; }

Cambrian

Ultimately, the problem was that 'Today's Menu' would have been outright yoinking an existing name for a Fate property lol. And I don't necessarily want this to ONLY be about food

Cambrian

It was a toss up between Chef's Kiss and Today's Menu for me, I'll grant ya that lol

SylverIron

Aww my suggestion wasn't used? Dang it. Ah well, the story is what matters.

IAVL

I would say that it was a 10 on the asspull scale, making it fit right in the Nasuverse. Remember the true Nasu Creed, "Break the Setting for Waifu, break Waifu for money.". So ven if it a true asspull, it is done in the spirit of the story and thus a true feature of it.

Kyo Amamoto

honestly there have been bigger ass pulls made in canon so no reals worries.

Sootythunder

I think it is but it is EXTREMELY weakened. It can’t rewrite causality but it is allowing Chaldea to summon as many servants as needed cuz remember before the incineration of humanity the only servants Chaldea had was Mash and Da vinci and to even get those two they had to play fast and loose with the summoning system

Orion9137

I for one fully support F.Ritsuka becoming Gudako. We all need a Mash obsessed gatcha addict in our lives.

Orion9137

I forget is the Counterforce even working in FGO? I forget the reasoning behind it just sitting back and allowing the incineration of mankind.

Nanaya7Nights

Shirou wouldn't have the Mana to trace so many copies of Avalon. I would say the copies would disappear after a single resurrection. So he would run out of juice after restoring a couple of bodies.

Grafian

Bit of a shame Shirou and Saber didn't face off against Saber Alter :/ Also, the singularity trio can't not recognise Saber now, right? Never mind Mash being essentially posessed by Galahad. Shirou with Tracing and Saber with memories should recognise her shield.

Max Turry

one thing im sorta hoping is that ritsuka is more gudako than normal ritsuka

Orion9137

A worthy reach, Olga was killed off way too quickly in FGO. Avalon is BS so honestly using it as a body regen tool isn't a stretch given how many rules it breaks just by existing. A good chapter, looking forward to more and I'm really glad the core Ritsuka-Mash moment was preserved + Gudako got to have her own story without it being overritten by Shirou's inate main characterness.

Sootythunder

The thing about true magic is that it allows you to break these rules in ways that negate or makes it impossible or flat out ignores a response from the counterforce

LordMarksman

Eh, bit late to title party but things been happening. For lolz, what comes to mind is FGO A Hero's Journey Surpassing all others (Suck it Gilgamesh). AlsI'm fine with the Avalon save for Olga not sure if Counterforce would have been as much as an issue here that everyone says. I mean sure normally it would but human history has gotten screwed with and our future is screwed. It has literally bigger concerns so maybe we can wave it as a one time "Get out of Jail free card." here. I can see Olga going to end up totally crushing on Shirou due to this although be totally Tsundere about it.

Cambrian

Actually, reading up on it all of the other Master Candidates survive the initial explosion and are put in stasis in critical condition for quite a long time in FGO canon. So technically Shirou could heal them I suppose... but that probably won't happen at least initially because boy is that a lot of additional characters to have running around lmao

Nasaguy

As we all love the idea of this idea I’m going to say no. Before I explain, as the fate fandom would like to keep this one rule, don’t worry about it. Since Olga was the only person to rayshift, other than Mash and Ritsuka, then it’s sad to say but no one else would have survived.

Andreyebidu

Does it mean that the other masters can be saved by using Avalon?

Sootythunder

I mean in all honesty I don’t think Maria is going to come out scot free with this, her lifespan would be probably closer to that of an average homonculus at this point because there was ALOT of things Shirou and the tech at Chaldea just did that is approaching the realm of counterforce responding to it……so a bit of a rundown the reason a lot of people in the comments have been talking about true magic or things like the 3rd magic is that the universe has a bunch of rules. These rules get enforced by the counterforce. Which if you break these rules (or their is a threat to the world(key distinction the world not humanity)) the counterforce get sent in and wipes the threat out…….I imagine what shirou just did is going to end with Rin screaming at him

Sootythunder

Hmmm that’s actually an interesting prospect in lore because it’s not technically the heavens feel ritual since it’s a rayshift back into her own body, if it was any other thing besides Avalon the only result of trying to basically resurrect her would have been her turning into a dead apostle (fates version of a vampire) if it didn’t just outright fail but due to the fae magic of Avalon it would never produce a dead apostle…….huh……..what the hell would actually happen? I mean combining shirou projection avalons regeneration it would basically make a Maria homonculus……utilizing the bones flesh and blood of the body of Maria…….then returning the soul to the body that was removed from it by rayshift………huh……..uhhhhhhhh……..honestly I have no idea how such an attempt would actually play out……it’s functionally the same as a heavens feel ritual but different enough to not be true magic………huh YEAH no clue

Ashwath Raghuram

Chef’s Kiss is a pretty funny title, but it does seem more fitting for a Food Wars story than a Fate one IMO. That said I’m terrible with titles. I think without committing to a route, Avalon was the least asspull thing that could have been done, given Touko Aozaki would have been incinerated with the rest of human history and they don’t have definitive access to the Third Magic. Still hoping that Shirou gets to get in on the ray shift singularity action, and that there’s some Shirou and Mash (Sword and Shield) content. Favorite singularities are Babylonia followed by Camelot for sure, though those are also the last two singularities. This does seem to be a bit more silly and lighthearted than I expected but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Shirou can absolutely be silly about the kitchen, and I get the impression this is meant to be more lighthearted than MNL or BP. Liking it so far, looking forward to where it goes!

Roughstar333

Hey, at least we may have a chance for a double tsundere threesome with Olga and rin


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