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Breaking Providence Ch. 46 (Original)

🕑 Added 2023-02-07 00:00:04 +0000 UTC

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Juan

Also Tobias is absolutely a terrible person. I'm purely discussing his words, not his intentions. Especially because the broader context of his actions are known to us and not to Marcus who we have the pov of. Tobias is plainly mean in a way Sepia isn't necessarily. Saying that, that's only the case if you remove the idea that she would have really attracted Angelina. Which, going a bit death of the author here, I don't think that is supported by the text. Her internal narrative, the build up in her irritation and how her justifications she gave herself, says to me she would have at least took a few pounds of flesh if not stopped. This is futhered with Marcus's thoughts in the chapter after.

Juan

Oh yeah there is a difference when I say they are bad people and say they are badly written characters. I try to be really careful with my words on that front.

Cambrian

Of course, Sepia isn't supposed to come across as a paragon of virtue anyways. She's very much supposed to be in a similar vein as Roka-Ra. They are Dark Generals, after all heh.

Cambrian

Fair enough, I suppose I didn't exactly make it clear that Sepia was just trying to scare Angelina and didn't get a chance to pull the 'gotcha' before Marcus forced her back with his sword. She definitely wasn't going to mutilate or torture Angelina. The rest are relatively fair criticisms, though Tobias didn't know or care about all of that. He didn't know Sepia's true nature, or that the nuns were actually traitors to the Empire. In fact, he was actively more of a traitor given his plans to help coup the Royal Family, and also his grand ambitions of becoming the Pope himself down the road.

Juan

Nick is pretty much on the money. I'd just like to add a few things. Morally speaking I don't view rape as inherently more Morally bad than any other violent crime. Replace Roka-Ra planned gangrape with stoning for example and that's still equally as fucked up on the general. So saying that, Sepia who was going to mutilate and torture somebody because she doesn't like what someone has to say makes her a terrible person. Her covenant seemingly having no issues with her doing this make them look fairly shitty as well. Removing the Moral perspective and purely looking at things from a practical separate teams perspective, the Holy Empire has every reason to want to get rid of her. She is actively making them lose members they already had or could have had. Plus the nuns are actively traitors to the Empire by not reporting and siding with Sepia. Her setting up shop here actively makes her a threat to the kingdom. Especially since she is still taking more members. Not even mentioning she goes against the image the church is trying to show themselves as.

SpiritCrystal

1. yep, he’s not an important character so I think it’s fine 2. cool, was hoping they wouldn’t stay at odds forever 3. interesting. Let’s see what happens. I don’t think I’m as opposed to the characters as Juan is, so yeah I’m curious if I read that comment right.

Cambrian

Appreciate your feedback, though I still want to hear from Juan at some point too lol. I guess Tobias' rapey intentions are carrying a lot of his villainous nature in this case, but I kind of think that's more than enough to mark him as a villain anyways. As for Sepia and Marcus' interactions, they'll smooth out a lot more in the next chapter I'd say. Everything you said about Serafina is correct and by design. That's exactly how you're supposed to feel about her at this point in the fic. Its supposed to be a slow burn realization of how she really is, and it sounds like I'm succeeding in that slow reveal.

Cambrian

Eric must live! Him and Chief Blacksmith Karn lmao. I think they're currently the only two male characters besides Marcus not to be evil >.>

SpiritCrystal

tl;dr IMO: -Sepia and Marcus should have gotten along way better, Sepia is being too difficult for no reason. -Angelina (and co) are the only ones who accept that the light/dark good/bad thing is actually grey, so Tobias (again, minus rapey vibe) is justified in stopping what he sees as an out of control convent. -Serafina is hard to like. She doesn’t care about her actions unless they involve Marcus, and she’s never shown remorse for the awful actions of the church. ——————————————— Sepia and Marcus should be two peas and a pod after some better communication. Marcus respects wanting to “break providence”, which Sepia is adamantly expressing to be her choice (not serving the dark lord again), making the transactional ending to an otherwise funny expectation-breaking sequence seem slightly sour. Everyone should talk more, the party should help to help and Sepia should help to help, I think. I feel like (and I could be wrong) you are trying to make Serafina into a funny *I wAs JuSt TrYiNg tO HeLp WAHH!* sort of character at times, but I also get some Yandere/Psycho vibes due to a lack of intention from her other than “get with Marcus”. She feels like too much of a villain. Tobias felt like an extension of that villainy. A lack of critical thinking (Angelina’s grey perspective) combined with Sepia actually being a dark general (and kinda bitchy) combined with Serafina’s (careless) approval OVERjustifies his actions. We (readers) know we’re supposed to hate him, but might struggle to within the morality soup. I’m a bit dizzy after thinking so much so I might’ve misspoke a detail or two but there’s where I think this opinion is coming from. Ow my thumbs

Cambrian

Glad you enjoyed it!

Cambrian

yus

Cambrian

looool

Cambrian

Good catches, fixt

Cambrian

hah, if Marcus were in his right mind he wouldn't much care to have a couple of orc deities supporting his actions :P

SpectralTime

…You know, I hope Eric doesn’t come to a sticky end to show that in war, it’s not just the wicked who die young. I hope he meets a nice girl in the end and gets a happy ending. Or a nice boy I guess? It’s not like his particular preferences came up. I mean, they’ll both probably like sex, but everyone does. Angelina likes sex, and she’s such a nice girl the literal demon in the party can’t help but love her! Anyway, yeah, things escalated in a hurry and I guess he did throw the first blow, threats aside. Suppose this will probably be the first step down a slippery slope in hindsight…

Cqys

... How did Sepia come off as a scumbag to you? I'm honestly confused at this.

RanmaChaos

A satisfying chapter, thanks!

Lord of Debauchery

The commander shall be ‘miss’.

KOS 1100

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD AND SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE, LET THE HATE FLOW HHAHAHAHA

V01D

“seemingly passed away in his slip” - SLEEP, not SLIP. ‘Acting like a Lord in how he lords over the town’…REALLY?

RottenMung

Gork And Mork support the actions about to happen here today, especially when there's bout to be a right good "WAAAGH!!!!" with lots of krumpin

Cambrian

Lmao yes, though technically the smile is originally from the movie when Cap is talking to him xD

William Wu-Zhen

The Hulk Smile? The one every is familiar with before he smashes the Black Widow? That Hulk Smile?

Cambrian

Hmm, sounds like a failing on my part, Tobias is supposed to have a way with words, he IS the epitome of the handsome bastard trope who knows he's good-looking and uses honeyed words and underhanded tactics to get his way, but the reader isn't supposed to buy into what he's saying at all lol. Meanwhile Sepia is definitely not supposed to come across as scummy as Tobias is. When/if you have the time, please expand on this for me, it might even be something I could edit to make it clearer.

Cambrian

Wednesday should be fun!

Cambrian

heh not quite right no xD

Juan

Keeping the comment short now, I think everyone of the major players involved are a bit of a piece of shit. I think Sepia is every bit the scumbag Tobias is and Tobias himself sounds like he's Serafina if Serafina didn't have Marcus as both a motivater and excuse. Honestly remove the rape undertones and I'm think Tobias was completely on point with his words.

DJ Johnson

Hype chapter! Kinda want to see a mass orgy now with Marcus and the sisters now that he's done them this favor heh. Great chapter!

SylverIron

BLOOD FOR THE LIGHT GOD! .....now see that just doesn't feel right Cam. Ah well same outcome, different god.


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