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A Savage Nature Ch. 23 (Warcraft Insert)

🕑 Added 2023-05-10 22:00:02 +0000 UTC

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Arkhaan

This story rocks and I love how you write. Not a word of he following is negative to you in anyway at all. You rock. However I’m gonna be petty and grumble because it’s my favorite pastime. I have never liked tyrande. Never have never will. You write her better than most but even with blizzards characterization of her I don’t like her. She’s really really bad at being a leader and as person she’s generally kinda crap to those around her. Like I get that elves are arrogant and superior but good golly at least they get humbled when they screw up! She just doubles down all the time. I’m glad she’s actually somewhat vaguely competent in your version but I was reminded of my problems with her character with the scenes of her being broken down and listless, they were incredibly reminiscent of all the times she didn’t do anything to fix plot lines in the canon.

Mateo Valva

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Nanaya7Nights

He isn't. But he is a plotter. So he will start manipulating either Sylvanas who he is connected to or Kael who should slowly be growing desperate to save his people. Once the events of the Frozen Throne begin, he will need a new host. If he dies without a successor we end up jump starting the events of Shadowlands.

Cambrian

Glad you enjoyed the twist! As for Sylvanas and her bonus chapter, probably not gonna retcon it no. Rognak wouldn't fuck her 'as is' though either, so she'd probably end up a Nature Undead or something wacky like that lol

Frostcore

Great chapter again! It's really refreshing that major characters actually die unlike most stories (and canon). Illidan can be remembered as a good guy by the night elves, which creates the question how the story will go aftet the Legion is defeated, considering that most of the plot of Frozen Throne happens due to Illidan. As for Arthas dying... I think that it was good, but I'd really like for it to be revealed that he was manipulated by Nerzhul and that his soul was the first one that Frostmourne consumed. But that is simply me still being salty because the train wreck that was the writing in shadow lands, especially the retcon that Arthas did everything out of his free will instead of being controlled by Nerzhul. Also for Sylvanas... if there will be a bonus chapter later on featuring her, could you retcon her to be still alive? After reading about the canon state of how the bodies of undead are, I can't see sylvanas smut in the same light again, at least the undead version.

Yulii Aladzhov

Welp. Had a reply and everything but I posted it wrong and Windows decided to prove how much of a piece of shit it is by not saving it to clipboard despite my deliberate use of the copy shortcut. In summary. Sylvanas showing up in eventual bonus content would be a nice perk but I am plenty happy with the story as is. Looking forward to seeing how Jaina and Tyrande (later on ofc) will get in on the fun side of things. As for Sylvanas and her situation - Blizz shat the bed with pretty much everything they had for her since Legion to the point I wish THEY hadn't had any ideas for her. Then again they've seem to have been making a concentrated effort to bury all of their female leads since pretty much Cata so no big shock there. At this point all three have had their credibility wrecked and Jaina's big hero moment at the Siege of Lorderon is just absolutely not enough to make up for everything they had her do between Cata and then. And neither is anything she's done since.

Zitronen tee

I have kinda lost track of warcraft lore by now, but didn't blizzard pull that cop out with Sylvanas' soul being "incomplete"? And after it was restored she got the big sad? Would be interesting if that bit of her soul was stored in Frostmourne and was restored early so she does not go full psycho bitch. Also, with Arthas biting it early, she doesn't have years worth of additional trauma courtesy of her time as an undead minion.

Cambrian

All I'll say is that the Frozen Throne Expansion is definitely going to look very different in this story fufufu

Cambrian

lmaaaaaao

Cambrian

I'll be honest, I've got no plans for Sylvanas in the main story. I might have her show up in bonus non-canon omakes for smutty fun though. Maybe have Rognak make her a Nature Undead lol

Cambrian

Nah, the canon timeline for EK is pretty much intact yeah. Which means everything in EK already happened before Kalimdor basically. The whole reason Arthas was even on Kalimdor for Rognak to be able to ambush and kill him was because Archimonde got summoned and cut the Lich King loose, leaving Arthas in a position to pull a big sneakaroo for his boss.

Darkanlan

That would be canon. My question was more if he was going to alter things at all. Which would make it more interesting. Say for instance Mannoroth was summoned earlier when they were heading towards the Elves. Or Dalaran got hit before they went to the Elves. Many small changes in what they do first could make a massive change.

Yulii Aladzhov

First of all the fact that both Illydan and Arthas dies due to their respective biggest flaw is just perfect. Even if you ignore that Illydan's secret war against the Legion is a blatant retcon and take is solid proof of his ability to plan he has always been show to give into impulse first and only then plan to get himself out of his own mess. As for Arthas, the guy was clearly overconfident to the point of arrogance long before the power boost of being a Death Knight. His biggest mistake is being here without any back-up but while trying to run would probably not have done him much good given the sheer amount of CC he was up against every choice he made just made it that much more likely he would die in this encounter. I'm seeing a lot of comments about Sylvanas and they all seem predicated on her behaving like her BFA/SL self. A retconed, OOC and all around idiotically written version of her mind you. I hope you have plans for her that are better than the shitshow Blizz came up with.

Nanaya7Nights

The time line is pretty clear: - Arthas leaves for Northrend - Jaina leaves for Kalimdor - Arthas becomes a Death Knight and brings about the Downfall of Lorderon - Arthas attacks the Elves and Kills Sylvanas - Arthas ressurects Kel'thuzad - Arthas attacks Dalaran - Kel'thuzad summons Mannoroth, Kazzak and Archimonde to Azeroth So Sylvanas is dead AND the Elves are f**ked. Not to mention that with Illidan dead and the High Elves' disdain for the Night Elven way of life the question arises as to what action s they may take out of desperation. Some of them might even submit to Banshee Queen/Lich Queen Sylvanas if she provides them with enough magic to survive.

Darkanlan

Timeline wise are you going with this is Arthas after he attacked the Elves or during their slaughter towards the Sunwell? I can't remember timewise if the stuff in Kalimdor was happening at the same time as the stuff in the Eastern Kingdoms. Could see him getting called over due to Rognak killing off the demon and Sylvanus never getting turned into an undead as he never reached the Elves to kill and raise them like in canon. Would make for an interesting twist if only a few of the human kingdoms died and the Elves weren't as badly crippled. Would change up the future of both the Alliance and the Horde. Especially with Arthas getting killed by the combined forces of Orcs, Humans and Elves.

Owl Face

Oh wow, so you weren't kidding when you said you'd do it again. Cambrian you're fucking fearless, bro.

Cormag81

This is a cool chapter but it does leave an interesting point for the future cause with Arthus dead before becoming the lich king who will nerzhul pick as his champion once he's out from under archimond's thumb will we be dealing with a true banshee queen in the future or will some other character rise to fill the role

Cormag81

I don't think at this point in the story Arthur had donned the helm mean he wasn't the lich king just the most powerful death knight nerzhul is still under archimonds thumb at thus point so can't be rebelling so openly as to empower a lich king.

Sam Kemp

This is huge. No Illidan and no Arthas. Major changes coming. Is there still going to be a Forsaken faction? Is Sylvanas even in a body again, or is she still a banshee?

Belly

These deaths out of nowhere, they're great btw since it's a refreshing change from other people's stories where they basically just follow canon til the end when even the main characters aren't that OP to stay alive. Wonder if the other death knights are going to be free from the lich kings influence now. (Sylvanas booty clap when?)

Cambrian

Not to worry, as I've said before, I plotted this entire story out all the way through the end of the Frozen Throne expansion. Of course, it should now be clear that this story's version of that will be very AU lol. You'll just have to wait and see what I have in store~

Nanaya7Nights

Interesting to see the plot derailed, but the issue remains that Nerzhul cannot be killed without someone else becoming the Lich King. Either Sylvanas or maybe Kael would have to take up the Helm. Or else, we end up with the Jailor plot taking place now. The heroes of Azeroth are not yet ready to face that.

Nanaya7Nights

Unless she becomes OOC, she will likely be manipulated into taking up the helm. The question is whether Nerzhul will control the combined form or she will.

Nanaya7Nights

The problem is that given Sylvanas' nature, this would be the point where the Lich King could manipulate her by making Arthas' actions look like the fault of the Nethrazim and Arthas, thus manipulating her into taking the helm & becoming the Lich King.

Cambrian

Haha, I'm glad!

Cambrian

Glad to hear it!

RanmaChaos

Thanks for another fantastic chapter! I still don't know jack about Warcraft but I'm enjoying the ride.

Alith Anar

That was a great fight, I rather liked Tyrande’s thought process during the combat and she is going to have to work through her subconscious death wish sooner rather than later

Holt Hamrick

Keep it up just keep burning out the enemy. But what of Sylvanas

McGrundy

Who?

Cambrian

looooool

T4ndoris

first illidan and now arthas? Damn all the extension BBEG are falling down, next chapter : Deathwing sudden heart attack

Walkersebes

Should prolly rewatch the scarab series, damn thing's so funny and entertaining, it's a masterpiece

Cambrian

looool

me: why didn't the lich king try to help Arthas? Lich king sees Tyrande: I bet she gives GREAT helmet!

Cambrian

Oh nah, I was just making a joke there, not a reference xD

Walkersebes

The Tyrande angry veeeery angry spiel was a funny little snippet from his scarab Lord series, Anachronos part me thinks or Smith. By the way, greatest shit I've ever seen related to wow, you can enjoy it even more watching The Bald One reacting to it

Cambrian

Not intentionally but I do love me some Barny lol. Which was the reference? xD

Cambrian

Nah, Sylvanas has been dead for ages at this point lol.

Walkersebes

Is that a Barny64 reference I smell?

LordMarksman

Well, I'm glad Illidan passed on classy. At least he will basically be remembered fondly by Tyrande from now on unlike in canon. I kind of wish he had a more epic death than that though. As for Arthas death, well with that line up unless he could somehow teleport away he isn't escaping so his dying makes sense. I guess by this actions Sylvanna stays alive (I think) admittedly part of me wonders if Rognak would get lucky with her too :) Also Shandris getting jealous even though she is one who told Rognak they are just friends with benefits.

Cambrian

Thanks!

Cambrian

Yeah Arthas is not the Lich King yet, and yes the Lich King still exists as a separate entity. Though with Arthas' death and Frostmourne's destruction, Ner'zhul ain't doing too hot now, that's for sure

Arkay

Super good!!!!!!!!!

Grafian

Great chapter! Personally I think you did Arthas reasonably well. Though I did think Arthas =/= the Lich King. Wasn't his own soul the first taken by Frostmourne, after which his corpse was puppetted by a new entity, the Lich King? I might be misremembering of course, but that's how it got stuck in my head lol. Also, very curious about what's going on with the rest of the Scourge right about now? Is this an early start for the Forsaken? At least there's a good chance our boi unknowingly charms his way into Sylvanas' pants. They really did her dirty in WoW :/

Cambrian

Truuuuue

TheSinful

If Arthas was still a pally, he could've bubble-hearthed out. That's what he gets for class changin

Cambrian

I feel like I did him justice in terms of how dangerous he was, but faced up against that much firepower, he wasn't going to survive lol

Cambrian

haha right

Cambrian

big swings up in this joint lmao

Alex McGregor

Well... there are going to be many tantrums thrown over Arthas getting killed like that lol

Jake Griffith

I always love the little tidbits of lore writers find, trying to make the plot coherent. Makes me appreciate how expansive the LORE is. (:

Dracontorrin

O gods above - I am close to bringing pitchfork and yesterday I put it into shed. Okay when I was suspecting you killing Illidan but you killing Arthas just after that o.O - was thinking along the lines of fight and him running away wonded or with broken Frostmourne or something not just killing him :D still love the bold choices


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