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4.17 In Which the Dark Lord's Good Mood is Spoiled

🕑 Added 2023-01-05 15:56:45 +0000 UTC

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Guy L.

Sometimes it's not about punishment, it's simply removing an active threat from the community.

Mickey Phoenix

I'm pretty sure she has no idea regarding much of the subtext of that conversation.

Mickey Phoenix

The thing is, as much as my animalistic soul hates to admit it, Seiji is objectively wrong on this one. Punishment, as such, is not effective for any of the purposes for which it is stated to be used. It does not create lasting behavioral change for the better in anyone: not the one being punished, not the one doing the punishing, and not the people observing the punishing. It is effective in only two things: causing limited behavior change in the person being punished *only while they believe themselves to be under observation*, and causing aggression and anger and fear in all parties involved. The kind of vengeance that Seiji craves does absolutely nothing to protect the victims on whose behalf he wishes to seek it. And as emotionally gratifying as it may be to see the wicked suffer, especially at our own hands, it doesn't actually make the world a better place.

WingedOne

Have I mentioned that I love Rhydion? You have a new Patreon just because of him! I’ve been waiting for this arc ever since the possibility was brought up when he first met Seiji. Banter in this chapter is absolutely amusing. I get the feeling Rhydion might have gone on his own crusades when he was younger, and had a lot of things go wrong for him, thus developing his philosophy of inaction. He’s like the perfect Seiji foil!

Federico

Ok, now I'm 100% sure that Seiji has a "death note" with a list of people that have to die dramatically.

Luker number 5

Rhydion does really come across as a prick here. Very smug use of Harkers crimes to chain Seiji while claiming that Seiji is in the wrong since Harker can theoretically be better.

Russell Todd

I dunno if he's a hypocrite exactly. If I'm understanding correctly, he's a proponent of slow, systematic (systemic?) change because quick radical change can spiral into a bigger problem than the one originally being addressed unless it's handled perfectly and with resources he doesn't have. Remember that he's not a champion, he's limited in what he can do. He's trying to get the most value from his actions/time as he can. That said, I think he does need Seiji even if only because Seiji will be able to work on a scale that he cannot. Or he could join the Hero, but the Dark Lord may be better positioned to clean house in Sanorite institutions/governments.

Russell Todd

With Rhydion's line of thought here, we might have a Sanorite Paladin joining the Dark Crusade, even if only to temper and advise Seiji. Seiji respects competence which Rhydion has in spades. However, I'm curious whether it might happen before or after Seiji becomes too powerful for Rhydion to kill.

Wolfkit

Rhydion sees all the big picture problems and reasons not to act in shortsided ways... but combined with his refusal to get involved in politics, he has cast aside all of the tool he might use to change the big picture. And then he acts humbly self-righteous about it.

Saltymen

It seemed to me that Rhydion's entire spiel boils down to threatening Seiji to maintain peace. He comes across as a well spoken hypocrite.

Arillius

Rhydion isn't wrong... But he's a smug asshole ignoring countless deaths to be technically right. The worst kind of right. He's also a fucking idiot. His entire premise, his entire angle, REQUIRES a Seiji. Without a Seiji, Harker never says that shit in front of someone who will kill him for it. Rhydion's whole example is lacking for the fact that he still needs a Seiji. Which means he knows that. He's going to use Seiji like he just did, shape him into a better weapon. And he's an idiot for thinking Seiji could ever let the countless deaths Rhydion could have prevented slide.

Too Much Sanity May Be Madness

I think Seiji realizes that that isn't enough to forestall retaliation by Rhydion. If the cause of Harker's death can even be plausibly connected to Seiji, he's going to be held liable for it (hence the last bit of the conversation, where Seiji laments the unfairness of being held responsible for the death of someone very likely to die violently for reasons completely unrelated to him). No. What Seiji would need to do is kill Harker in a way that not just can't be pinned on him, but that he, a sorcerer highborn with known contacts among bandit groups, couldn't possibly arrange. It's practically impossible. However, the lesson Seiji might take from this is, "Set Harker up such that Rhydion thinks he's done something bad enough to merit withdrawing his protection." That seems a much easier thing to accomplish, rather than finding a way to kill him that someone (who knows you're very capable in many different ways) wouldn't suspect you're behind.

Aaradur

Rhydion really is shaping up to be an amazing character...

Leaf

Rhydion Is really starting to grow on me. Also please don’t forget to take your week off this month, compounding effects seem like something to get ahead of not work through.

Jim

I LOVE this dynamic in which Seiji is angry at Rhydion and dearly wants to trip him up in his own hypocrisy to confirm his biases on systematic, violent vengeance(Seiji IS kind of an asshole), but since Rhydion's too damn competent and actually right on a lot of things(and can actually get shit done), he just can't. Seiji DID trip him up in a hypocrisy. That was back with Lady Grey. Once it was pointed out to Rhydion, we all saw what the paladin did to correct it. Now, I don't think Seiji will have a moment like that again - much to his chagrin, and our entertainment. Rhydion's a perfect character to temper Seiji's own worst instincts as a dark lord(and set him on the right path). Now how do they keep him around without getting murdered by him?

Jim

Given Dhinell's personality, I think she has a lot to comment on, both about Rhydion and Seiji's discourse on the methods and social logistics of vengeance and justice, AND on Harker. Harker IS a real piece of shit! I'm kind of surprised she didn't cut in at any point during the discussion to comment on Seiji's past history or any percieved disrespect of Rhydion, but I suppose she would be focused on letting Rhydion do his paladin thing. I think she saw that philosophical finagling coming since they're both highborn Sanorite priests and thus educated by the church in things like philosophy and politics.

Jim

THAT'S OKAY MATE writing a book is a marathon, not a sprint. I wish you LOTS OF GOOD SLEEP.

Russell Todd

Also enjoyed Rhydion's veiled message to Harker, "Make yourself useful and behave or I let Batman over here eat you."

Russell Todd

Good shit. I do wonder what the good sister thinks about the revelation from Rhydion, both that Seiji was planning to execute Harker and that Seiji has done similar things in the past. Has her opinion of Seiji risen or fallen?

Sleepless

Yay! Mechanics of goblin strength! I do wonder if the lesson Seiji is going to take away from this is that he needs to kill Harker in a way that can't be pinned on him.

D. D. Webb

I'm sorry for the extreme lateness. It's been a really bad mental health week for me. I'm suffering through a bout of insomnia that's causing compounding effects, and yesterday was my worst depressive period in a while. I will work on the next chapter today, but I will say up front it's not likely to get done by the due date of tomorrow. Gonna do my best to catch up on the schedule, though, so we at least don't get any further behind. Thanks for being patient with me.


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