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MiP Chapter 54: Discoveries

🕑 Added 2024-02-13 18:00:40 +0000 UTC

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Kyle

I got excited when I noticed Carlos starting to look for the "help" keyword, but I wasn't sure if it was going to be that or "man" since man is so much better.

RJD

Enjoying the story. I will cancel Patreon because I can't afford continuing but not disappointed in story.

Anthony Gerald Miller

I hope the Help files Carlos has found are better indexed than Microsoft's.

George

Sure, but have fun cracking the admin password.

George

Carlos achieves the next step to becoming the best mage in current history! Will this help him out of his current predicament? No, it will probably take too long to find a solution from the massive list of possible effects. Fortunately for them, it looks like I win my bet against no one that Purple gets through first. Now it's down to the adventurer team to tornado in and swoop to the rescue!

HoneydewHolt

can’t wait for sudo

zachava

RTFM

Darune Albane

And not knowing .. deadly

Isaac Boyles

Oh it's on now

Maurice Brown

I’m going nuts here! This is so fucking awesome!

Dan Chadwick

I wonder if the help menu includes elements of structure and synergies... in my imaginings I see this octagon with one point above and another below as a rough starting point and the Platonic and Archimedean solids as evolutions or potentially shells. Though I'm sure you have a firm grasp on where you want to take this progression, don't mind me interjecting... (would love to see a "Bucky Ball" iteration, just sayin')

Dan Chadwick

It's hard to imagine anyone outside of Carlos experience knowing what programming g even is! Now with the help command, he's got a toe up even on the royals... IMO

Scott Snyder

Up next for soul structures… github and copilot.

Douglas Miller

The company that makes IntelliJ also has similar IDEs for many other languages. For example, Rider for C#.

viperfan7

To be fair, I hate java with a passion

Douglas Miller

I've used Visual Studio too. In my experience, IntelliJ's autocomplete is better, getting the right suggestion sooner and more often.

viperfan7

Nice thing is, Visual studio and VScode have similar too. So handy. Like, I couldn't program without things like it

Jethro

Microsoft copilot soul structure

Douglas Miller

IntelliSense, the one clear and specific feature I can point to as a significant example of why IntelliJ is my favorite Java IDE. Aside from that, it's hard to say anything more detailed than "it just *works better*". I could think of examples all day long of ways it makes things easier, but each and every one of them is individually tiny and easy to dismiss. There's just so *many* of them that it adds up.

Douglas Miller

@Miroslav >How many structures would be outsde unified structure if one synergy was not established? One. If there's a set of 9 structures that have the maximum of 36 synergies within the set, then that set of 9 structures can unify, though it will happen later than level 15. If you're only missing 1 synergy out of the full 45 for your entire soul, then there are two different sets of 9 structures that can unify, but there's 8 structures of overlap between the sets and of course each structure can only go into one unified structure. Which one of the two possible unifications actually happens is effectively random, but it will be one or the other, not a hybrid bastardization of the two. There are ways to influence which unification happens when multiple possibilities exist, but such a situation is so rare that no one's had any motivation to even try to investigate it. Something like Carlos's debugger would allow outright choosing one.

meu 32

More like magic computer hardware. Carlos basically just created the hardware of a computer but focused toward magic rather than math, could probably still make a spell to do math for him though.

meu 32

Honestly that might be why the keyword was lost, It might have been intentional. Someone might have caused a calamity, or a sequence of people, and to stop it happening in the future the survivors decided to stop teaching the word.

Dan Chadwick

I think the help menu will be exactly the balm they need just now! Tweaking the inverse levitation trick to inverse the soul compression would be the sort of reprieve Carlos seems to be seeking! He's even got a soul structure already in place for it! Setup as an automatic optimizing regulator costing negative mana available for immediate use or further soul compression...

Dan Chadwick

I think the help menu will be exactly the balm they need just now! Tweaking the inverse levitation trick to inverse compress would be the sort of reprieve Carlos seems to be seeking! He's even got a soul structure in place fore it! Setup as an automatic optimizing regulator costing negative mana available for immediate use or further soul compression...

Josh

Ah, I see! I look forward to finding out how further unification and synergies work, between new structures and the one base unified structure.

Miroslav

How many structures would be outsde unified structure if one synergy was not established? One or two? If you remove one of structures the rest have full sinergies.

Nikhil Kshirsagar

Here’s my take on it There’s the zeroth stage which basically means the state you’re at when you’re born. First stage occurs at level 15, technically 16 cuz level 0 is also a level. Second stage would require orichalcum rank, full synergies and happens at level 31, technically 32. Similarly third stage at 64, fourth at 128, fifth at 256, sixth at 512, seventh at 1024. Considering Stage zero as infancy we get 8 stages in total. Every stage they might have to synergise with all 10 soul structures. Every stage will have one less soul structure than the one preceding it

John Snyder

Magic OSPF incoming ...

viperfan7

I know what soul structure he needs. IntelliSense He needs a soul structure specifically designed to auto complete his spell syntax. Hell, he needs a full on MDK, the magic development kit. He is the hardware, his first 10 structures are the kernel level stuff. Now to get the operating system going. HE COULD IMPLEMENT PURPLES AUTOMATOR NOW Hell combined with the help thing, he could make a spell that automatically determines the best effect to use against the target.

Connor Mcharg

To quote Lorvan on the subject of the second stage: “It will be largely self explanatory when the time comes, and there is no danger involved. I see no need to explain before you reach it.” …and yet, High House Carlos managed to find themselves in the one position where second stage was an actively detrimental development…

Sansvoid

It's exciting and enjoyable ... Weeeeee!

I'd guess next chapter might be Carlos defending against going further, city gang getting on the way, maybe something else, but the reckoning is 2 weeks to a month away... I want to read and read...

Douglas Miller

Moving soul structures around, *provided that you have an empty slot available*, is actually trivial, and even automatic. Carlos having the full 10, leaving no empty slot, is the only reason he had to exert any effort to swap a pair. It's only the incantations and spellcasting that Carlos thinks is designed and artificially created. The soul structures stuff all seems natural as far as he can tell so far. Orichalcum is the highest tier. Even after synergy unification happens, having all 45 synergies among the initial 10 structures is still a major advantage, because you don't have any structures that get left out of the unification still taking up space and likely being more difficult to synergize with for your new additional structures.

Jethro

As a programmer and IT this is awesome!

Josh

I find myself curious what position their new unified soul structure now occupies in the constellation of 10. Based on some information in a previous chapter, it sounds like most people (who don't have a debugger/introspector) can't move soul structures around once placed, so it seems relevant where the new structure starts out. I'm guessing that either it ends up in the top or bottom slot, or their new constellation is some shape other than an octagonal bipyramid. It's also interesting that 10 structures unified to 1, leaving 9 slots. We can reason somewhat from that. It probably won't be the case that they need to make *multiple* unified structures of 10 that in turn unify with each other (e.g. needing 10 unified structures of 10 each to make one doubly-unified structure of 100), because they don't have room to do that unless there's some new mechanic that's more complex than 9 slots being available. (For instance, somehow adding a center point to the octagonal bipyramid.) And since this magic system was designed rather than evolved, it *seems* unlikely that they'd need to unify 9 structures, then unify 8, and so on, resulting in 10 unified structures that themselves could have synergy and unify; that seems like a kind of asymmetry that the designers wouldn't want. So, I would hypothesize that *either* they need to make 9 new structures that synergize with their existing unified structure as a whole and thus have 45 new synergies, or they need to make 9 structures that synergize with their 10 existing structures and have 126 new synergies for a total of 171 (19x18/2). I'm also curious what the tiers above orihalcum are called. :)

Josh

Absolutely. And this is likely either completely undiscovered, or the house secret of a very very powerful house, and either way, it's not something they should share lightly. Sharing the knowledge from it would be much safer. At some point it may make sense to follow the same general principles as the creators of the magic system, and share the knowledge with everyone. But doing so is likely to cause rapid changes and upheavals in the landscape of magic, power, and existing structures, as well as potentially raising the threat of magical calamity (e.g. powerful amoral magic users or someone discovering an apocalyptic bug/exploit). And it can't be un-shared once shared. At the same time, anyone who learns that they know this is likely to want to restrict knowledge of it, for the same reason or for reasons of control and power, so they need to keep secret not just the mechanism but the fact that they know it, until they're ready to make sure that everyone has it.

Connor Mcharg

I know - but I wanted to make as big a deal as possible out of the fact that learning keywords is now a solved problem. Trinlen *does* have some cool spells to show them, and he's got experience programming specifically in this language, so he will still be helpful, but he's expecting to have students with *way* less starting knowledge.

Andrew Kellenberger

I was expecting debug, but this makes way more sense.

Douglas Miller

Eh, he'll still have things to teach them. The availability of complete reference documentation of real world programming languages does not negate the usefulness of teachers for those languages.

Dene W

i could happily read a chapter of changelogs.

Connor Mcharg

…poor Trinlen - all he had to teach them was a ton of keywords, some spells, and how to craft more of them, and now the students have become *the* masters of the first one, they've already mastered learning the second, and one of them was already a master of the third thanks to a bizzare coincidence. …on the bright side, he is going to florish so well under High House Carlos's wings.

Dame

Here is the next few chapters; Purple's preparations before the contact just now, what Carlos does while the guards get there, the guards traveling to get there, Carlos getting free (with or without the guards) also known and "Hell to Pay".

Markell

I can tell you exactly what happened: the same thing that happened on earth. “Who tf looks at the documentation? Just git gud scrub.” Whilst at the same time relying on the one senior member to fix their work because when are you going to need to use assembly language anyway?

13L00D13ANE

We can only hope. Or else Douglas is goin to jail for all these criminal cliffhangers. ;D

Miroslav

i hope next chapter is coming this saturday 😊

Chad Williams

Well it depends on how douglas chooses to torture us but i don’t think they can make it a few more chapters they are already getting into very uncomfortable territory with the ambient mana. I would assume conflict and conclusion should happen relatively quickly now that they have a location and comms restored

Beeees!

Help! The chapter is over and there's no more words to read. Tftc!!!!!

Brandon C

What? New soul structures possible? Looks like if it is based off of synergies, max cliques problem. Survive til the Calvary arrives and House Carlos is going to REALLY be a Orichalcum house! What are they going to call this hybrid structure? Magecraft?

Dene W

Or someone left in a complete set of batches to get new users a boost!

Dene W

It'll be fine. Platinum does not tarnish or rust over time

Dene W

And i look forward to seeing how it all comes to be :D

13L00D13ANE

But definitely not the last, my friend.

Dan Chadwick

The next surprize needs to be 'example'

13L00D13ANE

You, sir, are asking the *right* questions.

Brandon C

I am glad I got to platinum. Totally worth it! (This comment will not age well)

13L00D13ANE

YAY! Good job, carlos, and looking forward to how fast Lorven and Ordens can run. Oh man, is next few chapters are gonna be a RECKONING.

Douglas Miller

The precise details of Royal House Kalor's soul plan are a house secret, of course, but they do not use incantation spellcasting themselves. Whatever those details are, they are more akin to what Esmorana uses - structures for directly achieving certain effects, in Esmorana's case controlling air and wind, not for facilitating access to a rigidly formalized system that acts sort of as a middle-man between you and the end result effects.

Dummy

I wonder if the 'Help' command is a big royal bloodline secret. If they could understand the entire system of magic, then their high power would be explained. It might even explain why no one knows about it, because they don't want the information being spread around.

Dene W

That was a banger of a chapter. As soon as i could see how it was developing i had to stop myself skipping ahead! Now i await the true panicle of lost knowledge in magical commands: Sudo But do we now have batch commands? Help commands beyond those seen? Like maybe a commented list of example spells? Dev notes? Why version 3? So many fun questions! 'About'? 'Credits'? 'License'? 'revert'? Maybe all that high level mana could be teleported away just before contact? Maybe that mana itself could power it? 'Reflect'? Possibilities!

DittoMikko

This development is fantastic, I am on the edge of my seat for what happens next

Hayden Hodge

This is an insane development. Carlos just figured out EVERYTHING and he can add even more soul structures. House Carlos is about to be crazy….or dead I guess. But I really doubt they’re about to die.

Chad Williams

I love it and its completely different from what everyone was discussing or thinking would happen! I don’t envy you coming up with another synergistic soul plan though 😂. Also the cliffhangers are a crime you gotta stop!

Justin Drake

Tyftc

Markell

God damn this was a good chapter. Been waiting for something like this for a long time.

Chad Williams

I was the first here


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