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[L&D] Another little WIP preview
🕑 Added 2025-05-20 23:44:08 +0000 UTCHello everyone,
Thank you for your support and making all this possible!
Today, let's have another little look inside Law & Disorder.
Obligatory DISCLAIMER: I don’t want to equate the features of this mod to the real life stuff, and this mod is not either any sort of attempt at making a representation thereof.
This is for a GAME that is a life simulation, has a "Criminal" career, etc. I do NOT approve of any of this in real life, nor am I advertising it. Respect the law, respect others, do not cause harm! :)
Today, let's talk about the 'action to consequence' pipeline in more detail.
I HAVE shown and mentioned SOME of this before, but. Aspects have changed, and the separate pieces come together as the process becomes closer to completion, so I want to go over it again with you and in MORE detail.
Below, I describe the processes 'in words', but first, I want to show you visually.
ALL IN-GAME TEXT SHOWN IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE LATER / IS NOT NECESSARILY FINAL.
Patreon makes It difficult to show you footage property as it offers no way to embed videos inside the flow of posts, so we are stuck with using GIFs. I will also add images in the text below.
GIF (60 seconds): Report and Authorities process for MINOR misbehaviors:
GIFs (2 x 60 seconds): Report and Authorities process for MAJOR ones:
pt 1: misbehavior to confrontation
pt 2: confrontation to end
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WALKING YOU THROUGH THE MOD's GAMEPLAY PROCESS:
FROM Sim Misbehaving to Sim getting assigned trouble
The emojis “🚧🔨” denote features / areas still Under Construction.
Step 1. Your Sim does something ill-advised, like stealing Bella’s dining chair right under her nose.
2. If another Sim witnesses said ill-advised action, or if one can be considered directly a victim of it, they react.
Typical witness Sims are shocked, angry or scared.
Witness Sims who are Mean or Evil, however, might be amused
3. Witnesses and Sims inconvenienced by your Sim’s actions can decide to report your Sim. If so, they call authorities.
As said in previous WIP posts, "whether or not a witness or victim decides to report shall depend on their own traits, the misdeed and the relationship existing between these Sims."
A notification shows to let you know their decision to report, and you see them use their phone.
At this point:
If you Sim is not particularly Confident or Evil, they will fret
If a Sim is Confident or Evil, they remain confidently composed
4. Authorities promptly arrive and go to your Sim. Meanwhile, your Sim keeps fretting (or stays composed if warranted)
5. Authorities confront your Sim.
For Minor misbehaviors: the officer chastises the guilty Sim verbally
If a Sim is Mean or Evil, they yell back at the officer.
For Major misbehaviors: a fight ensues [‘fight’ here to remain consistent with the BG’s spirit, which has burglars fight authorities]
6. Either way, your Sim will end up following authorities.
For Major misbehaviors: your Sim is taken into custody (Rabbit Hole).
If they qualify for bail-out: a required sum is calculated and the Sim is offered to pay it. If they can afford and accept to, they will be allowed to return home, until their hearing the next day.
It’s possible they don’t qualify for bail-out options. In that case, they must stay in the rabbit hole till their hearing the next day.
For Minor misbehaviors: in a Rabbit Hole, your Sim gets processed and gets a ‘ticket’ to show up in court the next day. They return home after 1-3 hours.
HOWEVER: if your Sim has accumulated several Minor ones, they might not be allowed to return home without having to go through the bail-out process
7. Now, your Sim is waiting for their court hearing.
If they managed not to be stuck in custody:
they can tell others about the situation 🚧🔨
they can try to convince the Sim who reported them to change their story or drop their case, all in usual Sims fashion. They have 1 chance which they can use to do any of the following:
The typical Sim would attempt to plead, charm, or even resort to bribes
several answer texts possible. Result depends on friendship and charisma and chance
Sims who are Mean or Evil might attempt intimidation - which can cause another report against them
Your Sim can decide to skip their court hearing
this is obviously a bad idea, and results in the worst conclusion to the hearing, as well as loss of bail amount if any was paid
they can decide what kind of legal representation they want
if a decision regarding legal representation has been made, the Sim can prepare for the hearing (alone in the mirror if they chose self-representation or with their attorney on the phone if they have one)
if preparing with a lawyer: the lawyer will make a recommendation (plea deal or take it to trial)
8. The next day, sometime between 8 and 10 AM (and unless they chose not to), your Sim will have to attend their court hearing.
They will automatically go, but you can also manually trigger it.
If they haven’t addressed the matter of legal representation yet, they have a chance to do so now. Doing it now vs earlier doesn't give them a chance to prepare, making the defense less effective.
They then specify if they wish to admit to the fault or dispute the complaint
as shown in previous WIP post, just a hint different:
If admitting: a 'plea deal' sentence might be decided, without trial (your Sim might even get away with a simple warning)
If disputing: trial occurs. For first release, it occurs immediately - later I will probably delay it by a day.
Your sim must choose to plead guilty or not guilty
Trial occurs and decisions are made (Some sentences are only for Major offenses, some only for Minor offenses, some can occur for either; acquittal also possible )
Your Sim’s reputation, traits and outfit play a part in results of court hearings and trials, as does the representation choice, past conviction history, and some other things
9. And after all this... Your Sim gets to enjoy either one of the sentences we had discussed over the two last times (here and here) or simply being let off the hook.
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Now, 'what of cases where my sim did several bad things?', you might ask. Well. That's where things get a bit... Messy. I've changed my mind on this too many times. At present, I am on a model of 'take care of each case separately but one right after the other'.
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As I keep tying more of the finished elements together into their final flow, I will make more descriptions of the mod processes as they will stand for the mod's first version.
= Expect more previews soon and THEN sometime after, the more exciting stuff - prototypes / testing files.
I'll get as far as I can get in the 10 days left in the month. Every day brings me closer to finally finishing this thing and honestly it'll be a joy and a relief. I thank you again for hanging in there through the years on this one. It had no right to take this long and be so depressing for everyone involved.
Comments
Chia
I'm back after taking a sims break and omg I'm so excited for this.
Amanda Sowards
(Also, does anyone else just want to scream at Jordan to be quiet and let his attorney do the talking? No? Just me? Alrighty then.)
Amanda Sowards
OMGOMGOMG.... I honestly don't think I've ever been this excited for mod in my LIFE!!!
LiaShui
Thank you for all your hard work, it's always worth the wait 🫶🏻 Don't forget to take care of yourself 💪🏻🫂
thebsimmr❗️
Always reminded exactly why I spend my money here ! This is amazing and so appreciated. Thank you
Jessica G.
CAN'T FREAKING WAIT!!!
Katie Warren
THIS IS SICK!!!!
Eden Rose
waittttting
Immortal Essence
Excited for this mod to drop, I was thinking about putting a suggestion in for this type of mod and you're already ahead of the game making it :) i love it, I can't wait! Thank you for all your hard work and making mods that make playing the sims a zillion times better!! <3
reyna
adeepindigo says it will in the description of the mod xx
Pixeldaddie
Is this going to be compatible with the teen delinquents mod? I'm so excited for this to come out
Pamela Berg
I've been dying for this mod!!! You do great work. Can't wait for it to be all ready 😁
GreyZone
Can't wait! Thanks for all of your hard work!
Lumpinou
Thanks! Re lawyer cost, that particular instance can't be fully dynamic at least in the current set up, but there are two tiers for Minor vs Major. Fines are much more variable luckily :) Regarding jail time, indeed lifespan questions might get in the way as they always do. I never have aging on but I still conceptualize things as not taking forever because it's not exactly fun to have a sim unavailable for three days. I went with tiers (jail stay tier 1, 2 or 3) and from there I'll add a setting to further control durations. I have not decided yet if a 'jail for life' option should exist, in which the sim basically 'disappears' forever. This is something we shall see about after first release Thanks again for your support and questions!
Jonathan Laytham
This mod looks cool, I can't wait to try it
AT2028
this looks really fun!
Andrew Braun
This looks amazing so far! I;m really excited!!!
Dawn Kelley
This is so exciting
leslielethal
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! This sounds awesome! I can't waittttt!!!
StonedToast
I'm so excited. I get feeling bad it has taken longer than maybe expected but IMO that just means it's been in good hands that care about the results.
Stephanie
Im excited!
heidi (Team de luniversims.fr)
It's promising;)
Mkaila
This looks awesome!! We can definitely tell, you poured everything into this project ❤️Thank you for your hard work!!
Sam D.
You have worked hard and long on this mod but it is shaping up so well! I have a couple of questions- do you have different fines for different levels of offense committed? Likewise are there different legal fees for representation depending on the level of offense? Lastly, I am curious how you decide the length off a jail sentence given that people play on such different lifespans (I play with aging off or occasionally a long lifespan)- and that will impact differently how the length of time is experienced. Time is tricky in the sims. Anyway, congratulations to you for getting it so far!
James Patchell
All I can say is wow! Looking forward to it. I wish somebody would do something in a similar vein for High School Years. Sigh...maybe someday.
Max forever
Great job so far! I WILL be waiting patiently for you to finish this.
Lumpinou
Hi, I'm aware of the existence of her mod but have never looked at it, I didn't want to see another system to avoid influence (for the same reason, I have never looked at basemental's). Integrations are something to consider after first full release, and at that point players like yourself will be able to know and tell exactly what they want on that. L&D is available to teens and up, but treats teens the same way as full adults, so in concept at least it would sound to me like both mods have their place to coexist together. Once again this will become clearer once L&D is finished and out and you can observe and then I can look at integrations if need be :)
Jacinda
Amazing! Excited for this! Question, adeepindigo has a similar system for delinquent teens, could this mod and hers work together or does this include teen behavior? Would you be willing to add a teen delinquency addon if your mod and adeepindigo's mods don't work together?
Lumpinou
Hi, I just meant that I'll complete as much of it as I can in those days, with the hope of having another preview then at least, if I don't manage to have a full test segment 🌼
Stephanie
SO beyond excited for this!!! 10 days left of month… does that mean another preview in 10 days ? Or something else? 🤔
Danielle Morris
so ready!
